So I never really got this one. It seems like she is a polarizing figure here, but why is that? Also, what's the joke behind the "amber" bot?

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
      4·
      4 years ago

      It's literally what you're doing right now. This is not an organisation, she is not some kind of important leftist or whatever the fuck, no one is talking about "misconduct" or anything, this about some lame podcaster on some shitpost forum and shit things said podcaster may have said/done. The "cop shit" move is tiring. Just answer to what they're asking you.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
        3·
        4 years ago

        no one is talking about “misconduct”

        Accusing another leftist of racism is accusing them of misconduct; what world do you live in

        Just answer to what they’re asking you

        You can't answer a vague accusation of misconduct -- that's the whole point here. You can respond to "here's an actual sentence someone said, where they said it, and why it's bad." You can't respond to "so-and-so is racist," or anti-semetic, or similarly ill-defined accusations. That's why whisper campaigns are effective as smears: there's nothing specific to latch onto and discuss, it's just the specter of misconduct being used to force someone to prove a negative about themselves.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
          4·
          4 years ago

          Accusing another leftist of racism is accusing them of misconduct;

          Yes, if you and the other leftist are part of the same organisation, which you aren't. This is like the "court of law" shit people pull off. What you linked to isn't even part of the same thread you are replying to, which is pretty ironic from someone complaining about non specificity. They brought up an episode, just look up what was discussed, I did, I found it in like 0 minutes. Say "is this what you take issue with? I don't because x and y". The "cop shit" act is useless.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
            2·
            4 years ago

            Yes, if you and the other leftist are part of the same organisation

            There is zero justification for this distinction. We shouldn't be doing whisper campaigns against any leftist, anywhere.

            What you linked to isn’t even part of the same thread

            Don't know how you define "thread," but you can scroll up and see that comment for yourself.

            • Pezevenk [he/him]
              4·
              4 years ago

              There is zero justification for this distinction.

              There is, just like there is a difference between a court and some random person criticising you. Misconduct within an organization means you will be punished or suspended. Else it doesn't mean shit. Now did you find it?

              • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
                2·
                4 years ago

                Are accusations within a courtroom the only ones that have consequences?

                Can non-legal accusations be used to wreck leftist groups?

                Have you followed any Jeremy Corbyn news lately?

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
                  2·
                  4 years ago
                  1. There is no comparison between Corbyn who is an actual leader that emerged from the left in a country and some random brooklynite podcaster, 2) there is no comparison between some post on Chapo.chat and a mass campaign by the media, 3) Corbyn was literally part of a party and he was accused of misconduct and he was literally suspended as a result of that, which is exactly what I am talking about and distinguishing from what is happening here, 4) I never said anything about legal/non legal accusations except as analogy, and 5) calling people cops or accusing them of cop behavior or whatever the fuck just because they said something bad about a podcaster is every bit as damaging as whatever they may have said against said podcaster.

                  Also we're not a "leftist group" in any meaningful sense, it's so cringey when people overestimate what this forum is.

                  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
                    2·
                    4 years ago

                    Also we’re not a “leftist group”

                    I thought we had covered the thing about you responding to things I never said. "We shouldn’t be doing whisper campaigns against any leftist, anywhere" could not be more clear.

                    calling people cops or accusing them of cop behavior or whatever the fuck just because they said something bad about a podcaster is every bit as damaging

                    This is a "killing Nazis is just as bad as Nazis killing"-level take. Calling out wrecker behavior is not the same as engaging in wrecker behavior.