anglos=literal bloodsuckers. not wholesome folks

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    Thought I'd shed some light on the anthropological reasons Europeans and descended communities in the US and Canada and other former settler colonies don't really eat insects (that I'm taking on total faith from some anthropologist).

    There is not as many insect eating traditions in Europe due to the climate in comparison to the tropics. This carried over in Indigenous North American communities too. 25 to 50 percent of native communities had insect eating traditions, but they clustered where there was large insect biomass like the west coast or plains (not that there wasn't insect eating in communities with other food sources, there were just less). It also did exist in Europe to a lesser extent. Fried silkworms were eaten in Italy, Ukraine had an ant based liquor to make medicinal punches, Sardinia has a cheese with larvae in it. However due to the cold and construction of sealed buildings (a dwelling in the tropics has to be much more open to the environment than in northern Europe) and stronger reliance on insect sensitive crops, a stronger tendency to view insects as pests instead of food emerged. Eating insects was something done in a lot of communities as a famine measure primarily. Romans and Greeks ate insects, but not as a staple food.

    Some settler communities in the America's did develop (if short lived) insect eating traditions. One reason these were not propagated was possibly due to indigenous insect eating being used as a "primitive" trait against indigenous peoples and it was discouraged by missionaries and in the schools children were forced into. It also became a class issue, where insect eating was a poor person's food (if you were a poor farmer and your harvest got fucked, you're eating grasshoppers). Some white communities did have insect eating traditions occur though, mostly in the great plains.

    To sum up I think it's a combination of low insect biomass in cooler climates combined with crops (if you have to actually farm insects, less likely to do so), which then became entrenched with colonial and classist attitudes. There's also maybe some religious aspects like Deuteronomy forbids eating winged insects (dunno why), but some insects like locusts get an exception. One thing to note on biomass and availability is that one of the few insect dishes in France and Germany till the 1950s, Mai Bug soup, was only made because of large beetle swarms in spring.

    I've heard the trend of insect eating being acceptable in areas where it can be more than a marginal food is also seen interestingly in Jewish communities. Ashkenazi Jews are less likely than Sephardic Jews to view certain insects as kosher (guess which one coalesced as a community in the colder climate). No clue if this is actually true though.

    • MagisterSinister [he/him,comrade/them]
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      One thing to note on biomass and availability is that one of the few insect dishes in France and Germany till the 1950s, Mai Bug soup, was only made because of large beetle swarms in spring.

      They're actually called cockchafers in English.

      I had to research this because your mention of the soup brought up childhood memories of chocolates like this. I always got them as a treat on Easter when i was a kid. Most of the chocolates where eggs and bunnies, stuff that makes obvious sense for Easter, but there was always a chocolate bug in the mix and i asked my parents what was up with that. And they were like "it's because of bug soup" and i thought they were doing a bit.

  • Circra [he/him]
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    I mean, pretty much any society that lives by the ocean or near a big river eats prawns, shrimp, crabs, whelks, oysters etc. Which is just underwater bugs and snails. I don't eat meat but I do find it weird when ppl who will cheerfully eat a prawn mayo sandwich get all grossed out about eating crickets.

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      Going to have to stop you there pal. Why don't you just leave some animals alone and not eat their blood for a bit

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    We eat chickens, that alone is fucking disgusting. Before you hate me: Yes they are delicious, but have you ever had a pet chicken? They are the curious, smart and all have different personalities. Before meeting actual chickens I had no idea how sweet and intelligent they are. They're like feathered cats.

    Also cheese, when you think about it, could be considered gross. Same goes for things like live oysters, eating things alive is gross as hell. There are plenty of gross 'white' foods out there.

    Also bugs are high in protein and are good for you.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      Lol some friends of my parents got a chicken coop and from that point they stopped eating chicken because they felt really bad about it.

  • cum_drinker69 [any]
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    Where do you get the impression that sausage or blood are only eaten by whites? Or the idea that anglo and white are interchangable terms?

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    Lot of butthurt anglos in the thread, where are the vegans when you need them?

  • maverick [they/them]
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    I've got a friend that swears by eating insects. He particularly loves grasshoppers because of the big crunchy legs. No hate if you eat bugs, it seems like the least unethical way to eat animals, but the thought of a leg or piece of chitin getting stuck in my throat like a popcorn shell makes me wanna die.

  • Corbyn [none/use name]
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    Weird strawman and racism. Blood in/as food is quite universal.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      Lol ancient Greeks sure knew how to dunk. I try uphold the tradition by posting on chapo.chat. One of the most awesome parts of ancient Greek language lessons in school was reading the part of Xenophon's history where he talks about the execution of Theramenes by other oligarchs who dubbed him a traitor:

      Accordingly, after conferring with the Thirty, Critias ordered men with daggers to line the stage in front of the audience and then struck Theramenes' name from the roster of the 3,000, denying him his right to a trial.[67] Theramenes, springing to a nearby altar for sanctuary, admonished the assemblage not to permit his murder, but to no avail; the Eleven, keepers of the prison, entered, dragged him away, and forced him to drink a cup of hemlock. Theramenes, imitating a popular drinking game in which the drinker toasted a loved one as he finished his cup, downed the poison and then flung the dregs to the floor, exclaiming "Here's to the health of my beloved Critias!"

      King oligarch shit.