I had always assumed that if a man had gotten a woman pregnant, then if that pregnancy is carried to term, both partners should be financially responsible for the child regardless whether the man had wanted to have the child or not. The mindset being "they got them pregnant, so you have to face the consequences'".

I was talking with some people online, and they asserted that if the man did not want to have the child, then they should be able to apply to be resolved of any financial responsibility towards caring for it. I was at first against this proposal, but I feel like I now understand it better. Our current legislation was created at a time where abortion was tantamount to murder, and since it was illegal, an obligation of financial responsibility was the only way to ensure that women weren't stranded with children they couldn't afford to raise. But now that we live in a world where abortion is legal (for now), and where abortion procedures are safer than carrying the child to term, there doesn't seem to be a good argument for men still needing to be financially responsible for unwanted children. Men probably would still need to assist in paying for the procedure, but outside of that, I think they had a point. Please explain to me if there is anything I'm failing to consider here.

I also want to apologize for the binary language I used in writing this. I tried at first to write this in a more inclusive way, but I struggled wrapping my head around it. If anyone can educate me in how to write in a way that doesn't disclude non-binary comrades, I would appreciate it.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
      1·
      4 years ago

      I just dowbeared your comment.

      FAQ

      What does this mean?

      The amount of karma (points) on your comment and Chapo account has decreased by one.

      Why did you do this?

      There are several reasons I may deem a comment to be unworthy of positive or neutral karma. These include, but are not limited to:

      • Rudeness towards other Chapos,

      • Spreading incorrect information,

      • Sarcasm not correctly flagged with a /s.

      • Lack of pee pee poo poo

      Am I banned from the Chapo ?

      No - not yet. But you should refrain from making comments like this in the future. Otherwise I will be forced to issue an additional downbear, which may put your commenting and posting privileges in jeopardy.

      I don’t believe my comment deserved a downbear. Can you un-downbear it?

      Sure, mistakes happen. But only in exceedingly rare circumstances will I undo a downbear. If you would like to issue an appeal, shoot me a private message explaining what I got wrong. I tend to respond to Chapo PMs within several minutes. Do note, however, that over 99.9% of downbear appeals are rejected, and yours is likely no exception.

      How can I prevent this from happening in the future?

      Accept the downbear and move on. But learn from this mistake: your behavior will not be tolerated on Chapo.chat. I will continue to issue downbears until you improve your conduct. Remember: Chapo.chat is privilege, not a right.

    • gay [any]
      1·
      4 years ago

      "Your honor, I'm a communist and was an immature frat boy when I fucked that chick... I didn't know babies are made that way."

      • ofriceandruin [none/use name]
        9·
        4 years ago

        gay: somehow tries to use Engels to argue that state imposed perpetuation of a partiarchal system is justified because.... reasons?

        • gay [any]
          1·
          4 years ago

          somehow tries to use Engels to argue that state imposed perpetuation of a partiarchal system is justified because… reasons

          When you can clearly read

          • ofriceandruin [none/use name]
            7·
            4 years ago

            If you don't think that our current judicial system is heavily patriarchal then I don't even know what to say...

            • gay [any]
              1·
              4 years ago

              What are you even saying anymore?

                • gay [any]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  I'm making fun of your stupid understanding of... everything. And making fun of the fact that you're so against telling adults that they have the right to choose the type of sex that they're comfortable with. And that pp in vag sometimes makes babies.

                      • ofriceandruin [none/use name]
                        8·
                        4 years ago

                        Tbh it's weird to see peeps who call themselves "leftists" suddenly riding on the personal responsibility train. That's all.

                    • gay [any]
                      1·
                      4 years ago

                      "Lower classes" and "non whites" actually struggle the hardest to keep their parental rights. There's a strong effort on the white capitalist side to stop them (us) from having a family the way they (we) want. They (people like me) get their children torn away from them. We dunk on you for wanting to leave them for the consequences of your actions.

                      Whites will see brown Latin families get separated in concentration camps in the US and then be like: damn, they are so bummed out that they have to pay child support

                      • ofriceandruin [none/use name]
                        6·
                        4 years ago

                        What even is the point of what you're saying here? Obviously white capitalists will do stuff to stop "us" (yes, me too, not that you care) from personal autonomy.

                        • gay [any]
                          2·
                          4 years ago

                          What even is the point of what you’re saying here?

                          You are acting like "having to pay child support" is an issue between the "lower classes and other races". It's not. We struggle to keep our families, not with understanding that sex makes babies sometimes.