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  • keki_ya [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Anti-authoritarians should have disappeared when Allende got shot through the brain, yet here they are. I just don't get it.

    • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Sankara was authoritarian and he got shot through the brain. Authoritarianism isn't a magic wand for fuck sake

      • keki_ya [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Funny, I was actually gonna put Sankara as the example instead of Allende at first, because it also fits the point I was trying to make. He didn’t purge the military and government enough and got killed for it. He was riddled with bullets by soldiers under his “friend” who had plotted a coup against him. This is the kind of scenario that Stalin had prevented by purging the military so hard it almost lost him WW2.

        You’re not wrong that it isn’t magic. Authoritarian communist movements fail. “Libertarian” movements fail even more.

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          You’re not wrong that it isn’t magic. Authoritarian communist movements fail. “Libertarian” movements fail even more.

          This is so stupid and bad faithed that i don't even know how to react lol

        • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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          4 years ago

          This is the kind of scenario that Stalin had prevented by purging the military so hard it almost lost him WW2.

          almost lost him WW2.

          uh

          but

          isn't the central and basic point of a military to defend from external enemies? I'm kinda surprised you're saying the quiet part loud there.

          Also it's not particularly "authoritarian" to restructure the military, stock it with your partisans, and include ideological training alongside combat training.

          • keki_ya [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah like 99% of people I recognize Stalin went too far in his purges to the point where it ended up doing more damage than necessary.

            That last paragraph reads like a parody of MLs. It’s not authoritarian to fire and dismiss people from their positions without a trial? Enforce state-mandated ideological training? I think those are great ideas but it doesn’t stop being authoritarian just because we do it lmao.

            • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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              4 years ago

              A hierarchical military is already authoritarian. This can be reduced by decreasing the scope and term of command, and instilling egalitarian values. Having certain social requirements for being in the military wouldn't really be anything to blink at. They have physical and mental fitness tests already, just require people not to be sociopaths and include capitalistic mindsets in the category of "sociopathic".

              People get fired from their jobs unfairly across the private sector all the time. So I'd say this kind of restructure would be "not fair, but just and righteous".

              Changing to something that is less repressive, more equitable, and less centered around one person or small group of people is kind of the opposite of authoritarian.