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    • Amorphous [any]
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      4 years ago

      I'd say it depends, really. Stealing is neutral on its own. There are cases where it's bad and cases where it's good. Piracy is just good on its own merits. There is no way in my mind that I can possibly frame it negatively.

      Furthermore, bananas are good and so is peanut butter, but despite the fact that I often eat them together, they are not the same thing. And differentiating between them is hardly a petty semantic argument, though technically it is semantics.

      • Pezevenk [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        There is no way in my mind that I can possibly frame it negatively.

        There are reasons. As in, in some cases it hurts creators because they lose money. Though to what extent that happens really depends.

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          4 years ago

          No one loses money as a result of piracy. Not gaining money from a specific person is not the same thing as losing money.

          • Pezevenk [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Some people who would otherwise buy it don't because they can get it for free.

            • Amorphous [any]
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              4 years ago

              Negligible amounts of people at worst. This is a non-factor, and ridiculous propaganda spread by giant corporations.

              • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                You can't convince me pirated films don't affect movie sales at all. It doesn't make any sense. If it didn't affect their sales at all (or even helped them as some argue), why would they even care to spread propaganda about it? I don't give a fuck if Disney or whatever makes less money and I'll keep pirating everything because it is awesome, but maybe don't pirate something by random indie developer/director who makes $5 made.

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                  If it didn’t affect their sales at all (or even helped them as some argue), why would they even care to spread propaganda about it?

                  Because they're fucking stupid and they think it does affect their sales, despite all evidence to the contrary. These companies are not made up of infallible AI superhumans, they're made up of dumb out-of-touch boomers. They fuck up all the time.

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                    despite all evidence to the contrary

                    What evidence? Somehow I doubt all the mega-corporations whose sole purpose is making money and figuring out ways to do it better are all just completely stupid and none of them have ever figured out that piracy doesn't affect sales. Because it definitely does and the only reason it doesn't dent sales more is because there's people who don't know how to pirate stuff, people who are afraid of doing that, and people who chose not to, and all 3 groups are shrinking. It makes no sense to argue it has 0 effect on sales. How does it make sense to say that if something is also available completely free of charge, it somehow doesn't affect sales??