My "friend" Joe

  • micnd90 [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    Bernie could've and should've fought harder.

    1. Rather than talking about Biden's record on social security Bernie ostracized Zephyr Teachout - his own surrogate for doing so.
    2. Talk about Hunter Biden's legitimate corruption.
    3. Bernie should've spent 2016-2020 going against Obama's legacy as much as Trump. Obama's economic triangulation is the reason Trump happened. Bernie should have been more coherent with this messaging. He didn't and Obama was left as respectable party leaders in the eye of democrats. Then Obama put his thumb on a scale and the whole campaign crumbled.

    Bernie could've and should've fought harder because people literally die if he didn't. All of his surrogates like Nina Turner, Briahna Joy Gray, Cornel West, even orb mom were ready to go. Bernie and only Bernie himself pussied out. He should've gone all out against Joe in the last debate and this is what we got.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      Reasons 1-10 for Bernie losing were Obama getting the other centrist candidates to drop out and endorse Biden on the eve of Super Tuesday. He was the clear frontrunner before that, and Biden was completely dead in the water until South Carolina, and even then he needed Obama's backstage jobbing to really be a serious candidate again. Other stuff matters -- Bernie could have done things better -- but they start at about Reason 11.

      He should’ve gone all out against Joe

      A candidate (not necessarily the candidate's campaign or supporters) being too negative almost never works -- it's arguably never worked in a modern presidential election with the exception of Trump. We can't criticize Hillary and Biden and all sorts of centrist Dems on the grounds of "give people something to vote for, not just reasons to vote against your opponent" and then turn around and say Bernie definitely needed to talk more about reasons to vote against his opponent. That's doubly true for an opponent like Biden, who was out of the picture entirely from about January through South Carolina. It would have made no sense for Bernie to start talking about Biden's record when Biden was getting smoked in all the early primary states. In reality there was only a small window when it made sense to try and hit Biden hard, and that type of negativity from a candidate almost never works, and at least two candidates (Harris and Bookers) had already ate shit despite making the most direct attacks on Biden.

      • micnd90 [he/him,any]
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        4 years ago

        Dude you sound like libs who think that Obama was actually really progressive you guys, but there's nothing he can do because Republican in congress