So I see a lot of people on Twitter being dumb about this whole thing Jimmy Dore said.

AOC included.

Her responses are cringe as fuck, but that's because the whole premise of both sides of the argument is fucking stupid.

So the issue is:

"Progressives" should withhold their vote for Pelosi unless she brings a floor vote to the house.

Alright, what the ever living hell is that?

Sorry, Jimmy Dore is an idiot.

He could have easily made this a "Stop Pelosi" push, but instead he said they should "support Pelosi if she gets a vote on Medicare for All"?

This has half the people saying "Yes! Do this" and the other half saying "Uhh, that seems dumb?"

Possible fix? Just outright block Pelosi with no conditions.

Take the Medicare for All issue off the table and suddenly the "uhh, that seems dumb?" people warm to the idea.

After all, both positions fail to clearly state that Pelosi under any circumstance is unacceptable in that position.

I'm going to try and contact Cori Bush's staff and talk with them about this idea, I feel like she might bite. If anybody else is a constituent of a "progressive" rep, I suggest you do the same.

  • D61 [any]
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    4 years ago

    I don't follow?

    My understanding is, Pelosi needs votes to stay leader of the House.

    There are fewer Dem votes now with the losses from the 2020 election.

    The "Squad" and other House Dems of that genre now find that their votes are more valuable than they were previously.

    With Pelosi being a part of the performative demcratic caucus, maybe the "Squad" types like AOC could band together and withhold their votes unless ... [insert demand here].

    So this would be an exercise in political power, even if the [insert demand here] isn't passed as a bill or whatever.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      With Pelosi being a part of the performative demcratic caucus, maybe the “Squad” types like AOC could band together and withhold their votes unless … [insert demand here].

      The thing is the most they could get (and what Dore is saying they should get) is a floor vote on Medicare for All. A vote which most likely would fail, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be passed in the Senate.

      Instead they should be using this power to get rid of Pelosi. Them not voting Pelosi = Pelosi isn't Speaker. They can deadlock the Speakership vote until someone at least a little better is offered up. That would be a lasting change unlike a one time vote that's doomed to fail anyway. And it's something that can't be reneged after they've cast their votes.

      • D61 [any]
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        4 years ago

        Ah... much clearer.

        So, one way is better politically (remove Pelosi) but the other way is better publicly (M4A symbolic floor vote).

        Thanks!