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  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    The medical industry will not allow their politicians to vote unanimously for M4A. The Democrats do not want M4A to be their wedge issue with Republicans.

    Why not, if it won't pass? Why wouldn't the medical industry (insurance companies, primarily) be OK with their pet politicians voting in a way that will (a) keep them in power, and (b) not cost the industry a dime? Why wouldn't Democrats be OK with taking up a popular policy, especially if they won't have to take a serious vote on it for years, and if when they do they can drag their feet on it for years longer, and then pass a half-baked version that's still a handout to insurance companies?

    They know how the game is played. They know how to grandstand without accomplishing anything.

    They can do that already by promising to vote for M4A when it comes up for a vote.

    Again -- if they can already do something, there's nothing to be gained here.

    an easy political lay-up

    A layup gets you points on the board. There are no points to put on the board here, because nothing will get passed.

    • PhaseFour [he/him]
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      Why not, if it won’t pass?

      The same reason many Democrats refuse to run on M4A. They don't want that to be the national conversation.

      Again – if they can already do something, there’s nothing to be gained here.

      Again, voting "no" on extremely popular legislation is disastrous for politicians.

      If you're promising M4A, why would the M4A voter oppose you? If you vote against M4A, the reason is obvious.

      A layup gets you points on the board. There are no points to put on the board here, because nothing will get passed.

      If that's the metric, this project to do entryism in the Democratic Party is a more resounding failure. I was under the impression the entryists were working to build their numbers in the House.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        The same reason many Democrats refuse to run on M4A.

        They don't refuse to run on it. They run on it, nearly all of them, but they water it down in the form of "Medicare for all who want it" (Rat Boy) or proposing some multi-year rollout that of course will never happen (Warren). I even had some Biden jackass on r*ddit tell me about how Medicare for All isn't the only way to do universal healthcare. It's all politician dodging the issue bullshit, but they aren't sticking to a flat "no."

        voting “no” on extremely popular legislation is disastrous

        Every single congressional Democrat could vote for it and it still wouldn't pass. What is so difficult about this concept? Exactly zero Democrats would be forced to vote no, and we still wouldn't get M4A.

        I was under the impression the entryists were working to build their numbers in the House.

        Yes, because with 8 progressives in the House you can't do anything meaningful -- all you can do is performative stuff like this.

        And calling entryism a failure at this point is like dieting for a day and asking why you haven't lost weight. The strategy isn't wrong, it just isn't a magical fix that instantly works.