• SowTheWind [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    First, "人次" does not have an English equivalent but it means person-instance, e.g. a factory with 100 workers will count 500人次 for labor in a 5-day working week, confusing this term with population immediately strikes me as alarming because the article editors clearly had no Chinese speaker on staff.

    Second, they are conflating communist buzzword talk, which are effectively a type diplomatic language within the CCP structure, with purposive language. You cannot take these things literally. For example, "mobilize" and "organize" are typical communist buzzwords for "the party officials ask people to do something", so are "ideological education" or "patriotism" which means nothing in the context. The same applies for the scary looking phrase "labor is glorious"; it may look like arbeit macht frei but this is one of the most common Mao-era propaganda that became engrained in the Chinese vernacular. These communist-speak do not mean their literal meaning like "drain the swamp" wasn't actually about building physical pumps for an actual swamp.

    Are there legit irregularities in the article? Yes, singling out "religion" is uncommon for normal rural mobilizations here; (for those who don't know, it is typical for rural governments to be engaged with private factories in the cities to promote seasonal employment, a practice that still happens to this day; however these are not coercive but mutually beneficial; the article noted coercive tones when applied to Uyghurs which is a red flag that warrants investigation). also the report did say "neither want to work, nor want to study" for young men and "traditional values... only wants to stay at home and raise children" for women, both are stereotypes of Muslims by Han Chinese. But the article used the eye-catching term "deep-rooted lazy thinking" as a header, which is unfounded; they also severely cherry picked these two stereotypical statements by leaving out the term "only" so it somehow spinned the narrative into "having kids is not okay", which is a totally different meaning.

    I am not trying to deny systematic persecution of the Uyghurs by the CCP, because it is happening as the persecution of religion and ethnic minorities is widespread knowledge among us Chinese people, but you cannot make the leap into forced labor or even genocide territory without substantiated evidence. BBC is seriously undermining its own journalistic integrity here. First, Sudsworth is their long term China correspondent, and he has done great work here, but he doesn't speak Chinese well, and not asking a Chinese speaking person (not hard to find in the UK) to proofread is borderline unethical. Second, circular citations that always end up on Adrian Zenz as a source. Combine them together and BBC - one of world's premier news agencies - is essentially validating a bogus activist's word at face value. Millions of people will see it and take it as true because of BBC's reputation, and since they don't speak Chinese the vast majority of readers cannot fact check them, and this is a huge problem.

    Explained by u/glymao

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I am not trying to deny systematic persecution of the Uyghurs by the CCP, because it is happening as the persecution of religion and ethnic minorities is widespread knowledge among us Chinese people

      Into the trash it goes.

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        here's u/glymao in the r/toronto sub complaining about how the Landlord-Tenant Board doesn't have enough resources (and he also posts in r/worldofwarships)

        This is not a landlord vs tenant problem. This is a honest people vs exploiter problem. The only people benefitting from the current situation are slumlords and deadbeats.

        "deadbeats" LOL. how much you want to bet this guy picks up rent checks for his dad when he's not playing World of Warships

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Wait, did I miss a memo on hating world of warships? Fuck I have so much dunk material for that game

          • emizeko [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            I know nothing about that particular game the post just shows they're a g*mer:

            I play radar edinburgh, which I believe is the best ship to play for fun. Sneak into a cap, catch a DD off guard, kill/chase off the DD, disengage, wiggle my way around, watch incoming shells shatter on the belt armor, hold fire to disappear behind friendly BBs, print a new ship and repeat.

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Pick and take what you need from it.

        Its very important to emphasize that these accusations of "slave labor" and "genocide" are all wildly malicious distortions of whats really going on - rural industrial development and the accompanying disruptions to traditional agricultural life; with the additional context of this taking place during an ongoing, long-simmering US-sponsored Islamist separatist insurgency that recently escalated in the last decade.

        So when you see fearmongering propaganda about "cultural genocide" in paving over "Uighur cemeteries" and bulldozing mosques to replace them with with freeways and rail lines, it's just the normal birth pangs of new, rapid infrastructure development. When you see stories about vocational training centers actually being sinister "re-education centers" and "concentration camps", its actually exactly what it says on the tin because the CCP is trying to simultaneously de-radicalize young men whove been radicalized by the intrusion and disruption of modern industry upon their traditional lifestyles while also training these farmhands to adjust to a new regional economy with its accompanying demands. And when you see stories about "slave labor" its actually new factories in the region demanding a large new labor supply and the CCP moving to meet it.

        If you read between the lines it's easy to see what's actually going on. Nothing the CCP has done in the region is out of the ordinary when it comes to rapid capitalist development and every new sensational "development" Zenz, the emigres, and the CISC come up with fits fine with this thesis.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 years ago

      Even just reading Zenz's original piece makes it clear that these people are being recruited voluntarily to do paid work.

      The worst thing you can say about it is that it sounds Capitalist

    • Ketamine_device_tech [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      communist buzzword talk, which are effectively a type diplomatic language within the CCP structure,

      corporate buzzwords but woke