• BigBoopPaul [he/him]
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    I mean, if "80 hours a week of hard labor to funnel 99% of revenue into the top 0.1% of capitalists" is your kind of revolution, well we'll agree to disagree.

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      billionaires get executed in PRC

      President Xi just this year jailed a billionaire for 18 years for mouthing off online lol

      Dictatorship of the proletariat & mass line are both alive and well within PRC, you're just not going to admit that they're doing far better than the US at both capitalism & socialism lmfao

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        The fact that billionaires exist at all should be a bigger point of contention for you. But if one ritual sacrifice is enough to keep you glommed on to their team, have at it, Capitalist 2.0.

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          State capitalism is the initial stage of socialism

          The lower stage is born from the womb of capitalism and has all its birthmarks... that's literally what Marx wrote

          If a country and a People had to pass some dupe's purity tests online, then I think the revolution & any workable alternative would've been snuffed out long ago

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            State capitalism is the initial stage of socialism

            The lower stage is born from the womb of capitalism and has all its birthmarks… that’s literally what Marx wrote

            I really struggle to grapple with how many self-avowwed "leftists" don't understand this.

            Marx said that socialism would arise out of capitalism. So if you think Marx is right then state capitalism and later socialism are not at all mutually exclusive. State capitalism might not be pretty, but it sure seems to beat the shit out of every other type of awful capitalism thats been tried so far.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              plus it's the only legitimate way that workers can both feed themselves & engage in productive organized activity while also creating the surpluses needed to rail against their class enemies

              if we had a way to "Vajrayana" lightning strike our way to FALGSC, I think the thing would've already happened lol

          • BigBoopPaul [he/him]
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            At the end of the day, you're trusting one set of autocrats over another. I get it. The collapse of Western hegemony is well past due.

            I just think you're falling for the feel-good reactionary alternative in doing so.

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              wrong again

              there is such thing as social necessity

              you are a reactionary for thinking that PRC has to abide by some abstract set of "traditional" principles that really only exist inside your mind, not in the real world

              there are material conditions that have to be considered, and 1 billion+ people have to wake up and eat every day

              without state capitalism, PRC would still be a feudal backwater and without socialism it would still be an imperialistic or client state mess

              if you don't want to give credit for the fastest growing & most quickly advancing economic system in history, fine. but don't try to label it something it's not

              that's just your brand of cope, not anything to do with reality

      • Gang_gang [none/use name]
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        doing better at capitalism and socialism lol. talk about a galaxy brain

        • volkvulture [none/use name]
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          PRC is the only major country growing at the moment

          so, yes

          It's not the CPC's fault that you haven't read Marx

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            if were being accelerationist ok lol, but then you cant really credit the ccp for that cause theyre literally just following the easiest and inevitable course of things that makes their elites money in the short term

            • volkvulture [none/use name]
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              no, their elites play by the rules & color within the lines or they get executed

              Billionaires do not get executed in the West & are the crux upon which the entire system relies in the West

              In PRC, billionaires are jailed for the slightest offense... that's literally dictatorship of the proletariat

              We are still in the stage of class struggle, and China can't just invent the "communism button" and have it built just so for all naysayers to spit out their cereal, you're acting childish

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                how can making literally a billion dollars in unpaid wages of the working class be anything other than an offense to the proletariat. if thats within the lines then fuck the lines. inequality in china is pretty similar to the us right now. and its going up. why would a dictatorship of the proletariat allow this?

                They could super easily stop sending police to enforce things like rent, coercing people into working their life away.

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                  you're not listening lol

                  the "historical period of socialism" is fraught with the choices between a "capitalist-road" and there is still "the danger of capitalist restoration"

                  there are still classes, class contradictions, and class struggle

                  Mao literally writes all of this, and says that this phase covers a "considerably long historical period"

                  nothing about what you've written means that state capitalism isn't the first step in the initial stage of socialism, lol

                • KamalaHarrisPOTUS [he/him]
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                  how can making literally a billion dollars in unpaid wages of the working class be anything other than an offense to the proletariat

                  damn youre right its not communism a claim nobdoy has made class hant been abolished youre so smart wowow

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      yeah i mean its absolutely not lol, im just objecting to what youre saying about the farmers. but i do agree with the point that yeah more money on paper isnt neccesarily better.