Shoutout to the lazy bois. The revolution will come a bit later if I feel like it...
But really, I think even worker is a bit of an exlcusionary term, easily corrupted and co-opted by everyone who works and receives a market value greater than their labour input. The idea of labour organisation doesn't resonate with people who don't have too because I don't feel like it.
Community building certainly makes more sense in because that includes the lazy bois who really just want to be loved. They'd give up their entire game collection and anime figures to have a nice girl (or fella) to stoke their dingus a little. That's my opinion.
A nice community of people doing things is more conducive to the sort of revolution that is possible under western capitalism. Ie. start fracturing off parts of the capitalist state. In my mind the idea of a workers revolution just seems utterly impossible while capitalist states are so strong. I mean this isn't groundbreaking I'm just thinking out loud.
Ending this with some positivity. Don't stress so much about it because humanity has been fucking terrible for thousands of years yet we've made such huge progress to blow open the door to correcting it. That's unique. Because of socialism we've changed the trajectory of struggle, even if we can't yet fully create the conditions that would secure it for the future.
Love you all.
“Lumpenproletariat has revolutionary potential” isn’t a novel idea... but also lumpens aren’t really anime nerds in their mums basement it’s more about the underclass of unemployed/hustlers/criminals lol.
I wont budge on the premise that lumpens are anime nerds in their mothers basements but I will accept that the other end of the personality scale are just as if not more common. There's a generation of lumpens who stand to inherit a significant amount of wealth but are socially isolated.
Not really. You're taking what you think the definition of those words (lumpenproletariat, worker) are and saying that you think they can be co-opted or something.
The words have specific meaning as they relate to the ownership of capital -- even workers who make more than their market value (which is only another tool of coercion) -- have the same relationship to capital as those who make less, and have more in common with each other than with the bourgeois.
The lumpenproletariat are by definition those who don't have class conscious was and are worker class traitors when it's convenient.
There isn't a "classic modern" lumpenproletariat. It's a mind set.
Very good no argument here. I just think in rhetorical terms for my own convenience, I'm not looking to contradict theory just for the sake of that. For instance any appeals to commonality is just connecting dots. I've never seen those arguments be very effective.
For example saying that migrant workers are "just like you!" is less effective than pointing out that unrestricted access to the job market is by design to cheapen the value of labour.