I've got nothing productive to add to this conversation than CHYNA :thicc-trump:
Well, maybe one thing. China stans need to state upfront that "no, the current Chinese state is not the ideal form of DotP, but we hope in the future it'll become that. We hope that because of this, this and this reasons."
Then China...not-stans(?) can say "well, I disagree because of this, this, and this"
Then we can all go back to discussing how to make leftism happen where we live, rather than argue about it on twitter (and apparently, even Chapo -_-
The problem basically is that most anti-china folks dont take any sort of nuanced analysis of it but instead go for debate club victories through really cheap rhetoric that takes at the very least 2x the effort to explain why its not that way, and no one has the energy to deal with that when most of it isnt in good faith anyways so its easier to just go full uncritical china support when arguing online while having a more nuanced and critical view personally.
I've got nothing productive to add to this conversation than CHYNA :thicc-trump:
Well, maybe one thing. China stans need to state upfront that "no, the current Chinese state is not the ideal form of DotP, but we hope in the future it'll become that. We hope that because of this, this and this reasons."
Then China...not-stans(?) can say "well, I disagree because of this, this, and this"
Then we can all go back to discussing how to make leftism happen where we live, rather than argue about it on twitter (and apparently, even Chapo -_-
:halal:
The problem basically is that most anti-china folks dont take any sort of nuanced analysis of it but instead go for debate club victories through really cheap rhetoric that takes at the very least 2x the effort to explain why its not that way, and no one has the energy to deal with that when most of it isnt in good faith anyways so its easier to just go full uncritical china support when arguing online while having a more nuanced and critical view personally.