@Pezevenk @TheOneTrueChapo and @ClimateChangeAnxiety
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every time I see anti-vaxx shit posted here at least one of you is already in the comments, fighting the good fight.
@admins please reconsider chapo's site-wide tolerance of anti-vaxx/vaccine-skeptical/vaccine-hesitant rhetoric
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Where did I say that? I'm worried it might cause more harm than good, either because of some shitty side effects or because it's not actually all that effective but people who got it will think they are completely immune from getting or spreading the virus.
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You are glossing over the "possibly risky" part. My point is it's possible the vaccine could just make things worse. That's not apathetic, in fact it's technocratic too. Saying we shouldn't risk making it worse to stop it from getting worse isn't apathy.
Seriously doubt it could make things worse according to what we know so far. The worst case scenario and indeed the most concerning is that it may not be that effective at stopping spread, but people may think it is. But the thing here is that this would eventually happen anyways at some point. The whole lockdown thing can't be kept up for much longer. And if it is determined that it isn't very effective at stopping spread, there is at least a chance people and governments will realize that maybe they should cool it for a couple of months until more people are vaccinated and safe.
lmao, imagine believing either of those groups will do that
The more likely scenario is that people get vaccinated, the government and businesses say "everybody get back to work so line go up", then the virus spreads faster than ever and kills way more people.
Idk about the US, we did it once here and we could hopefully do it again if we can see the other side of the finish line. I trust the people more than the governments, at least the ones who are actually responsible enough to care in the first place.
Depends, how many people would get vaccinated before that happens? If everything opened up completely when only like 5% has been vaccinated then yeah I can see that happening. But I'm afraid if things continue for a few more months, all these people are gonna die regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not. Maybe even regardless of whether stuff opens up again or not.
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I don't know. But that doesn't change the fact that it could just make things worse. What would we do then?
None, but the option we have isn't "could cause a slowdown, could do nothing". It's "could cause a slowdown, could make things even worse". To be extreme: everyone just killing themselves would stop the virus real quick, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Side effects aren't the only thing that could make it worse. Those hundreds of thousands of people might not be immune, they might still be able to spread the virus.
People are going to get the vaccine and think they can go back to life before the virus, but they could still be spreading it. More people out and spreading = things get worse, including for your friends and neighbors.
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You are assuming there's a 100% chance of people not dying. Or even a reasonably high chance. That's not the case. The vaccine isn't some magical thing that will definitely work. And it being rushed means it's even less likely to work.
More people dying will make things worse. It's possible that more people will die because of the vaccine.
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China is more competent, has been working on it for longer, is using a known technology instead of something pretty much brand new, and actually cares about making a proper vaccine instead of just "make line go up". By the time I could even get a Sinovac vaccine it will have been long enough to have a decent idea of how well it works.
I'm not saying I'll never get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, but I won't get it right away.