Notes:

Honestly, at the same time I believe all this might be true of Oat milk, I always wonder about ideological and ulterior motives someone with Jake Trans-esque platform has to do this, as if he's a big milk or big meat man or something...

For context, he has videos like "plant-made and lab-grown meat is a scam"

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    10 months ago

    this shit sucks. acting like canola oil is the mark of the beast or some shit. shuddering at the thought that an imitation milk that actually tries to be fatty has fat in it scared dairy milk is trash to drink too, the difference is not very significant

    • heartheartbreak [fae/faer]
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      10 months ago

      Putting emphasis on "R*peseed Oil" to scaremonger about canola is so pathetic and non of the points made in the video are actually that bad. The reason why people drink oatmilk is cuz it's not cow milk which involves a process including torture of sentient life. The whole video is just this person doing their hardest to make something as stupid as oatmilk scary.

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      10 months ago

      I mean that's not only problems he has with it

      Firstly, oat milk may use maltose, a sugar whose glycemic index is higher than regular cane sugar (105 to 64 for comparison).

      Another complaint is that it uses "artificial" trans fats, that cause diseases from diabetes to cancer.

      A third claim is that it uses dipotassium phosphate as a emulsifier, which could cause kidney disease and heart attacks...

      Not to mention, it may not be as environmentally friendly as it seems, as the video just says it's at least 3x more carbon-intensive than regular dairy milk

      But the only thing that caught me off guard is that he brushes off the rest of the milk alternatives, even orange juice, as worse than dairy milk... like wtf, did big milk promote him for this shit...

      • CommieCretzl [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        The idea that high glycemic index foods are bad for you is misleading. It's only actuate if you eat that food exclusively. As soon as you eat something else, especially fibre, your digestion slows down and the measure is meaningless. A single ingredient with high GI doesn't have any indication of the overall healthiness of the milk.

        There's no trans fat in oat milk.

        They misread the research for dipotassium phosphate. It can be harmful for people who already have damaged kidneys. It's considered safe by the FDA and commonly added to dairy products, such as regular milk.

      • CommieCretzl [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        There's also no source for saying it's more carbon intensive than milk. Every source I've looked at said it's many times less carbon intensive.

        Also check out the "evil food" store that this video is put out by. It's like a slightly less insane Alex Jones store where you can get unpasteurized foods and fluoride free stuff.

      • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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        10 months ago

        I would bet money the carbon impact claims he makes in the video are a bunch of bullshit and the lady he used clips of is some kind of dairy/meat industry paid scientist. There have been tons of articles about the harmful methane from cattle and she tries to minimize it by equating it to wetlands naturally occurring methane emissions. Lmao. But I’m too lazy to go research the lady.

        Overall after watching this video and reading the comments here it just makes me so fucking frustrated that you just can never get straight information about anything that is actually true. We need a soviet ministry of health that doesn’t get lobbied or act as a revolving door with private industry to actually be able to tell people the actual truth about food healthiness. Ugh i hate living in capitalism, it fucking corrupts everything, even science. It just makes me ignore all of this shit and just eat whatever i want and pay attention to whether it makes me feel like shit or not. Fuck it we all die some day.

        And also the obsession with the self and health and having the perfect body and perfect health is all part of the narcissistic behavior that capitalism trains us to engage in obsessively because it helps them sell us products. (I think Naomi Klein’s new book doppelganger reflects on this a bit). I hate this world.

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        10 months ago

        trans fats are a health fad/scare that's completely poisoned by health-food brand marketing, mostly relying on the fact it's "artificial" even though we've been eating it for thousands of years. other oils and fats are also calorie-dense substances that correlate with illnesses, mostly just from the fact they can efficiently make you gain weight.

        dipotassium phosphate, at least as it's explained by webmd (lol) is just associated with trash calorie-rich food that's correlated to heart disease and harmful weight gain, it doesn't actually cause those conditions. and the kidney disease bit is that if you have kidney disease you might not filter the phosphorus properly leading to complications---it doesn't appear to actually cause kidney diseases. it's weirdly common for people to claim things are 'linked', 'associated' etc. with kidney or liver disease when they're actually reading advisories for people with kidney disease, "if your kidneys DON'T WORK you might want to avoid this" it's completely different from those substances & chemicals causing diseases in a healthy body

        oh and the fucking Maltose? remind me what dairy milk intolerance is called again? lact--ose intolerance? they're almost fucking identical disaccharrides but unlike lactose the vast majority of people can metabolize maltose vs ~30% of the global population adapted to lactase production

  • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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    10 months ago

    I mean like he's not completely incorrect about , but his whole schtick is like anti-vegan activism which is pretty a pretty weird vibe.

    Like, he's always attacking specific things but then generalizing it out to be like "because this particular plant-based meat substitute is bad in these specific ways (I will ignore all benefits also,) it's all bad.

  • oregoncom [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    All the research that says fats are bad for you are from big-diabetes.

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    If you have a blender oat milk is literally the easiest thing to do

    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      10 months ago

      Idk why, but he says it tastes like shit, specifically the oat + water combination. Idk if he's pulling a strawman out of his ass or something...

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        Skill issue, my oat milk is the best

        • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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          10 months ago

          Do you put anything in it or just parts and water? I have made it too but i would put some sweetener in it to make it taste better.

          • RNAi [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            Instant oats and water and sometimes some sugar but most of the time I use it to (after strain it, or not) then blend with banana so I don't add sugar, but it's my taste, it's not a crime to eat more sweet.

            Anyways, I like oat milk even without any sugar. But for example I utterly detest soy milk and anyone who ever enjoyed it.

      • Abracadaniel [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        If it's homemade you need to add an enzyme (amylase) which breaks down some of the starches into sugars. This improves the texture and adds some sweetness. Industrial producers do this and it's how they get the flavor juuuust right.

  • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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    10 months ago

    Please edit the title with context that this is a dunk/reactionary video since this isn't the dunk tank

    • spectre [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      Don't mean to do your job for you, but I've always felt strongly about "chud slop needs to stay in the_dunk_tank at all times"

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        10 months ago

        I try to give warning if I don't think the person is doing it maliciously, I've been pretty hands off with this community so far and I think the discussion in the comments is good so I don't want to remove it or lock it yet

        But I'm absolutely open to comment on that

        Edit: Removed it because they refused to add a tag. Plus the video is totally bullshit and fails to mention the massive subsidies that are paid out to dairy farmers to keep their prices low.

        It also focused specifically on Oatly as if all oat milk is one brand.

  • RION [she/her]
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    10 months ago

    real gamers do flax milk 😤 it goes hard

    on the other hand with oat milk i can refer to it as scrote milk which is funny