I’ve gotta say, pretty ignorant to blame a disaffected working class worn down by years of propaganda carefully coordinated by anti-communist think tanks like the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
This is the government your working class chose. No one compelled Australians to vote a specific way, and being working class doesn't preclude you from the repercussions of being reactionary imperialists.
Regardless of whether they are right to do so, they are essentially bullying the government into shutting up and punishing working class people who are not at fault. The only good I can see coming out of this is that Australia will have to back down, which in itself is a good thing, but it shouldn’t be a position they’re forced into through the suffering of working class people.
This is international politics between nation states. China is putting the screws to the Australian state. How the pain gets distributed is decided by the Australian state, not by China.
Politics isn’t about petty revenge porn, it should be about the material interests of the majority of people.
Politics is about power. China is reminding Australia who holds it in their relationship.
I'm not asking whether or not you believe all of your parties suck, I'm asking whether or not you honestly believe that you had no choice of one that wasn't going to do a racism against what is by far your largest trading partner?
I’d sure hope shorten wouldn’t do the same, I sure hope he wouldn’t holiday in Hawaii while the country’s on fire either.
Shorten was pretty obviously China friendly in the 2019 election.
And yeah, I dont believe that my choice, whether I have one or not, has much impact on whether our duly elected prime minister is racist or not.
It's not about your individual choice, it's about the collective choice of Australian voters. Collectively, you did have a say over whether or not you picked a government that would antagonize China.
Can someone explain to me the ramifications of these sanctions? I know that in theory they hurt the working class, but from what I've seen it's made the affacted goods cheaper. I imagine that it's hurt businesses but can someone explain how this hurts the majority of working class people?
If the restaurant owner down the street is a racist to you and accuses you personally of knowingly and intentionally giving other people COVID, are you going to keep buying food from him because his poor daughter needs braces?
Yeah but the Australian state is run by neoliberal assholes who aren’t going to do shit, and I don’t care about who’s fault it is that working people are going to suffer, I’d just rather it didn’t have to happen.
Well, this is China telling you to not elect the neoliberal asshole who is going to say they did COVID, because you did have that as an option in 2019.
Maybe so, but is this necessarily a good thing? Don’t want to sound like a lib, but I don’t like the idea of big countries pushing smaller countries around; I hate it when the US does it, and I’m not too fond of it when China does it either
Australia isn't a small country or a victim, and you aren't being oppressed because China decided to not buy your goods. They aren't under any obligation to buy your goods.
Believe me I don’t vote for them, but very few people in Australia know much outside of the liberal/conservative politics spectrum, and as I’ve already said, Australian people trust the media because and you would too if you hadn’t been radicalized, it isn’t the common sense position that the media bias against china is based in corporate interest, most people don’t have access to these ideas, please stop acting like actors in a bourgeois democracy are a reflection of the people who elect them
When I said "you", I didn't mean you personally, I mean Australian citizens collectively.
but very few people in Australia know much outside of the liberal/conservative politics spectrum, and as I’ve already said, Australian people trust the media because and you would too if you hadn’t been radicalized, it isn’t the common sense position that the media bias against china is based in corporate interest, most people don’t have access to these ideas
That's Australia's problem, not China's.
please stop acting like actors in a bourgeois democracy are a reflection of the people who elect them
They are a reflection of the people who elect them. You chose them. The same way Joe Biden and Donald Trump are reflections of the American populace.
This is the government your working class chose. No one compelled Australians to vote a specific way, and being working class doesn't preclude you from the repercussions of being reactionary imperialists.
This is international politics between nation states. China is putting the screws to the Australian state. How the pain gets distributed is decided by the Australian state, not by China.
Politics is about power. China is reminding Australia who holds it in their relationship.
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Should China care about that?
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So you believe Bill Shorten would have accused the Chinese of doing COVID?
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I'm not asking whether or not you believe all of your parties suck, I'm asking whether or not you honestly believe that you had no choice of one that wasn't going to do a racism against what is by far your largest trading partner?
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Shorten was pretty obviously China friendly in the 2019 election.
It's not about your individual choice, it's about the collective choice of Australian voters. Collectively, you did have a say over whether or not you picked a government that would antagonize China.
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Can someone explain to me the ramifications of these sanctions? I know that in theory they hurt the working class, but from what I've seen it's made the affacted goods cheaper. I imagine that it's hurt businesses but can someone explain how this hurts the majority of working class people?
If the restaurant owner down the street is a racist to you and accuses you personally of knowingly and intentionally giving other people COVID, are you going to keep buying food from him because his poor daughter needs braces?
Well, this is China telling you to not elect the neoliberal asshole who is going to say they did COVID, because you did have that as an option in 2019.
Australia isn't a small country or a victim, and you aren't being oppressed because China decided to not buy your goods. They aren't under any obligation to buy your goods.
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When I said "you", I didn't mean you personally, I mean Australian citizens collectively.
That's Australia's problem, not China's.
They are a reflection of the people who elect them. You chose them. The same way Joe Biden and Donald Trump are reflections of the American populace.
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"Uhm, actually sweaty, the bourgeoisie hates trading with China and neoliberals would never ever do that."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/15/world/australia/bill-shorten.html?0p19G=2103