Like, I do think in an ideal world everyone would be vegan and all animals would be free not to be our food...

...Buuuttt I've been eating their products for my entire life and they constitute the vast majority of my favorite foods/drinks and foods/drinks I just like in general, and am thus unwilling to give them up even if I know it would be the better thing to do.

I mean, I probably could if I really, really wanted to, but I just don't want to.

    • HectorCotylus [he/him,any]
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      4 years ago

      Under any system, the standard American diet is unsustainable. You might as well start adjusting now. Sooner or later you'll need to.

    • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I mean, if you listen to liberal vegans sure. But we all know liberals love turning all structural issues to individual ones. But a lot of leftist vegans exclusively point out the harmful nature of all modern agricultural industries, not just the meat and dairy ones. Locally grown and available food is always better. But it's not a question of either/or. You can support both local industries and not eat meat/dairy.

        • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          yeah you're right. voting with your wallet is stupid and not going to enact systemic change. but that's a separate issue from the ethics of eating meat. I'm not saying this is going to bring systemic change. I agree with you it wouldn't.

            • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Oh yeah, I think Mexie had a very good discussion with someone a while ago that brought up indigenous practices as a counter to her "meat-always-bad" veganism stance. And she ended up changing her views!