Accepting the right wing framing of Marxism-Leninism as authoritarian (itself a term designed to conflate fascism with communism) because it "rolls off the tongue" is truly some galaxy brain shit
Stop buying into the right-wing framing that "authoritarianism" is a bad thing. The point of "speaking truth to power" is so that you can BE the power. Anarchists, I swear to God...
I'm not an anarchist, lol. Are you under the impression that "dictatorship of the proletariat" means a literal dictatorship rather than proletarian democracy?
While we're on the subject of how to best frame leftist ideas, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" should be retired. It produces exactly the sort of confusion you describe: unless your audience is read up on ML theory, it sounds like you're calling for a literal dictatorship. This is doubly true when you consider how decades of American propaganda have invariably portrayed socialist leaders as dictators.
The phrase immediately poisons the well. Unless you very carefully explain the theoretical background before uttering it, your audience unthinkingly rejects it, and now you're playing defense and getting into semantics instead of making a positive case for how a leftist state should be run. And the phrase adds nothing besides a link to other theory (that your audience hasn't read) -- something like "proletarian democracy" conveys the exact same idea without any of the baggage.
If the choice is between sticking to verbatim quotes from century-old texts or rephrasing the ideas to maximize their appeal to a modern audience, that's a no-brainer. Lenin himself (and Mao, and others) didn't just stick to what had been written before them; they rephrased the fundamental ideas to better communicate them in their time and place. We should follow suit.
Power imbalance reversal. Democratization of the working class. Working class full participatory democracy (?) Socializing (or socialization of) democracy (i always liked this one cause it subverts democratic socialism a bit). Workplace democracy.
Sorry for saying a word from The Bad, Cringe Place with the Nazis and getting you in a tizzy.
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No, but there’s nothing wrong with wiedling “authority”
Authoritarianism doesn't just mean wielding authority. If it did, then literally any form of hierarchy would be authoritarian, and it would be a meaningless term.
I laughed way too hard at this exchange. Reminds me of the time I got schooled by communist back when I was lib and using 'authoritarian' like the word was my right arm.
lol, calm down. "Auth" rolls of the tongue better than "illiberal"
Accepting the right wing framing of Marxism-Leninism as authoritarian (itself a term designed to conflate fascism with communism) because it "rolls off the tongue" is truly some galaxy brain shit
Stop buying into the right-wing framing that "authoritarianism" is a bad thing. The point of "speaking truth to power" is so that you can BE the power. Anarchists, I swear to God...
I'm not an anarchist, lol. Are you under the impression that "dictatorship of the proletariat" means a literal dictatorship rather than proletarian democracy?
While we're on the subject of how to best frame leftist ideas, the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" should be retired. It produces exactly the sort of confusion you describe: unless your audience is read up on ML theory, it sounds like you're calling for a literal dictatorship. This is doubly true when you consider how decades of American propaganda have invariably portrayed socialist leaders as dictators.
The phrase immediately poisons the well. Unless you very carefully explain the theoretical background before uttering it, your audience unthinkingly rejects it, and now you're playing defense and getting into semantics instead of making a positive case for how a leftist state should be run. And the phrase adds nothing besides a link to other theory (that your audience hasn't read) -- something like "proletarian democracy" conveys the exact same idea without any of the baggage.
If the choice is between sticking to verbatim quotes from century-old texts or rephrasing the ideas to maximize their appeal to a modern audience, that's a no-brainer. Lenin himself (and Mao, and others) didn't just stick to what had been written before them; they rephrased the fundamental ideas to better communicate them in their time and place. We should follow suit.
Power imbalance reversal. Democratization of the working class. Working class full participatory democracy (?) Socializing (or socialization of) democracy (i always liked this one cause it subverts democratic socialism a bit). Workplace democracy.
No, but there's nothing wrong with wiedling "authority". Sorry for saying a word from The Bad, Cringe Place with the Nazis and getting you in a tizzy.
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Authoritarianism doesn't just mean wielding authority. If it did, then literally any form of hierarchy would be authoritarian, and it would be a meaningless term.
Correct.
Fair, lol
I laughed way too hard at this exchange. Reminds me of the time I got schooled by communist back when I was lib and using 'authoritarian' like the word was my right arm.
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Dude, you're the one who freaked out because I used the No No word from the Bad Place
Yeah, I'm freaking out so hard I'm literally running naked through the streets gibbering and raving rn. Please send help
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will u 2 shutup
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No, it's not, and that's OK. "Democracy" is a fucking sham.
Wow, an orbánism, wouldn't have thought it won't be me to use that word first.