https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1340070883831001089

  • gammison [none/use name]
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    The socialist portion of the hk protests are laughing at the chud parts on left hk Twitter all day today lol.

    • DutchGuy [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      The socialist portion of the hk protests

      How do I learn about these people?

      • gammison [none/use name]
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        There are a couple publications and collectives they run that news comes out of, like Lausan. Most of the stuff on left hk twitter today has been "lmao you fucking morons, we told you so".

        They put out a good history of the left in Hong Kong a while ago, here, which also goes over the reason for the relative weakness of socialist voices in the protests, and lists other small left collectives present in the city.

        Also note, this is going to drag you into the Chinese left diaspora fights between Qiao and Lausan and make you want to bang your head against a wall..

        • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I, too, like to validate sites that repeat the western narrative about Xinjiang and even cite ASPI, amongst others, as a source.

          :thinkin-lenin:

      • gammison [none/use name]
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        Combination of anarchists, advocates for independent unions, some maoists, other anti-cpc or anti nationalist tendencies that speak up more in HK than the mainland. There's also a small number of old people still around from October Review and Revolutionary Marxist League, which were HK far left groups in the 80s and 90s that recognize China's sovereignty over HK but also want as much direct democracy in HK separate from the party as possible. Most of the people I follow are decidedly Marxist, but not Marxist-Leninist.

        I'd also say the average HK protestor is not a reactionary US simp, but an amorphous localism simp, adovcating for local sovereignty but having no theory of change or robust political participation, resulting in reactionary shit against the mainland flaring up because localism on its own is a blank slate that gets coopted.

        As to which will win, I don't know. Certainly in the US media the anti-capitalist elements get no coverage. Nor do they in the pro-CPC left media. The protests are weird, with reaction occurring alongside radically anti-capitalist mutual aid. Dunno who will win in the end. At least one socialist got elected to the city district councils based off protest work and tenant organizing. Some are working hard to try and get the reactionaries out, as they want to get greater solidarity with some worker movements on the mainland, see this piece.