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  • KiaKaha [he/him]
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    Dumb take. We had this struggle session back on the sub re Zootopia. The conclusion was that you can like reactionary shit. Just be aware it’s reactionary so you don’t internalise shitty messaging, and don’t feel you have to defend the media you like as having good politics. It’s enough to say ‘yeah it has fashy themes but those grappling hook fight scenes are sick’.

    • Wheaties [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Sure, people liked the bunny cop movie for the fight scenes. Definitely the fight scenes.

      Totally unrelated, don't Google "Judy Hopps" with safe search off. I hear it gives you a virus that puts bad pictures in your downloads folder that you have definitely never seen before. It happened to me- I mean, a friend of mine just the other day.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Wanting to fuck the bunny rabbit was never the issue. The person felt bad about wanting to fuck a cop, and kept trying to justify why the rabbit cop was a good cop.

        Oh and the person was in denial about wanting to fuck the rabbit cop, but that was really just the cherry on the cake.

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  • OhWell [he/him]
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    There's nothing wrong with enjoying "problematic fiction". Some online leftists literally treat their politics as their personality.

    I love gangster films and mafia stuff, despite the fact that in real life they are scum. There's just something about it I find very interesting.

    I also have a knack for noir and unsolved mysteries, despite the copaganda involved in a lot of it. Crime stuff can be interesting.

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Sadly no. It looks really fun, but my graphics card wouldn't be able to handle it with this computer.

        • MaoTheLawn [any, any]
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          4 years ago

          Damn, I'm surprised it needs lots to run, because it's just point and click, and whole it's pretty stylised the graphics aren't mind blowing.

  • Kaputnik [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    In my opinion engaging critically with media is very important, it's basically impossible to find media that doesn't at least one problematic aspect. But by engaging critically with it you can recognize how these problematic areas inform other themes in the work so you avoid internalizing it unknowingly, and if you're into it you can build on it to use the good aspects and yeet the bad. For example, Lovecraft is someone whose works were very informed by his extreme racism but that doesn't mean his works can't be understood and even enjoyed if you know how his personal views are incporated into the text. Then someone like China Mieville can create works that are very clearly influenced by Lovecraft's work while incorporating communist and egalitarian themes to combat the racism that is so tied to Lovecraftian horror.

  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Lord of the Rings is reactionary, everyone who likes it is counterrevolutionary

    All questions should be directed here :

    • Crucible [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      LotR should be regarded like the bible- old and dumb but formative

    • Quimby [any, any]
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      4 years ago

      that's... super cool. I love LotR, but that does sound like a really cool premise that goes well beyond normal "fan fiction".

      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        It addresses most of the themes that make more than a casual Tolkien experience uncomfortable, I do like the series a lot but if I think about it too much about it I need some aggressive reinterpretations of the source material. Ole' JRR was way way too into bloodlines & religion & racism

        • Amorphous [any]
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          4 years ago

          Ole’ JRR was way way too into bloodlines & religion & racism

          The racism, as I understand it, he kind of walked back later in life. Like his depiction of orcs as unambiguously evil, cruel, corrupt beings was a genuine writing mistake that he recognized, and something which iirc he considered to be fundamentally opposed to his views on how different peoples should be perceived. So I'd say that reinterpretations of his work/setting which view the orcs in a more sympathetic, less racist light should be entirely in line with how Tolkien himself came to think about it, or at least wish that he had presented it. I often wonder what he might have gone on to imply about the setting if he had lived longer.

          As for the other stuff, yeah, it really does take the monarchist logic to its logical extreme. Not only is God real and his angels still hang around and influence things, but of course there are chosen kings who will be good rulers because they just have that divine right.

          • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Dude LOTR is racist to humans, not just orcs. All the evil men are swarthy easterners and southerners (i.e. asians and africans), all the hero men are fair and from the west. Of course, the whites are the recipients of divine favor too.

            • Amorphous [any]
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              4 years ago

              Dude LOTR is racist to humans, not just orcs

              Yeah, and to (((dwarves))) as well. im not saying the setting isnt fundamentally racist in a lot of ways, just that you don't have to stretch too hard to reinterpret it in other ways and that Tolkien would probably be quite happy to see us doing so

              I like tolkien, ok? weirdo anarcho-monarchist that he was

          • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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            There's a quote of him trying to explain his galaxybrain anarcho-monarchism somewhere

            his politics were uh, not good

        • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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          Which really should be good enough. It's really good. The Blue Wagon song is tight. Check it out comrades. We're always hurtling forward into the future...hopefully while riding on a train.

          https://youtu.be/srN_ZlTibUA

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  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    nah that's a weird take. It's perfectly okay to like problematic stuff despite it's flaws, just don't be try to defend it's actual reactionary elements.

  • FRIENDLY_BUTTMUNCHER [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I still like Halo even if they kidnapped little children to turn into supersoldiers to take out insurrectionists.

    • anthm17 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      yeah but in the end that gets pinned on one person and the project gets turned into using adult soldiers instead (arguably okay in a total war situation w/ informed consent).