!transenby_liberation@hexbear.net - click this link and look at the votes. EVERY post has 25% downvotes. EVERY post. you're complaining that people may misinterpret intent but why is intent what matters and not impact? what message is being sent to the person coming to ask questions about their gender? what message is being sent to the person celebrating starting HRT? trans people have left this site because of the hostile atmosphere and the votes only capture the surface of that.
there was just a stupidpol raid there, if you look at the second page, there's like 0 - 1 downvotes. no doubt transphobes should be banned, but an actual pattern needs to be established and two - three down votes doesn't establish enough of a pattern, at least to me. almost half of the bans last night were overturned because those people weren't transphobes. if people want to be that way they'd probably be at stupidpol. the vast majority of posters here are not bigoted assholes.
trans people are leaving the site - you're still worried about intent over impact. accounts are cheap. the actual humans being driven away, not so much.
i haven't seen any posts by people saying they're leaving because they're experiencing transphobia, and i just don't see this giant amount of transphobia that you claim to see here.
because most of them aren't posting about it. they're just leaving. so people notice and DM them to ask why - it's the same thing over and over, a hostile atmosphere. the downvotes capture the surface of the problem - support posts and love threads get downvotes.
and that's just my experience. I'm tired of having to fight a struggle session every time cissexism and transphobia comes up on this site. it makes it impossible to relax here. it's triggering and I too will eventually leave if it never lets up.
fuck that game and that company and anybody that defends that shit and good on you for being more patient than i would be. i still say those users make an extremely small minority of people here and i think most of those examples are just ignorant and unaware, not hateful, but those are decent examples of prejudice and i can see how that type of presence would create a hostile environment. i don't think having downvote cops is the solution to the problem, and think it should be addressed directly.
i still say those users make an extremely small minority of people
the downvote ratio on posts calling out transphobia pretty consistently show about 25% disapproval. people noticed that it was extremely consistent, which is how anyone got the idea to check voting patterns in the first place.
i think most of those examples are just ignorant and unaware, not hateful
which is the deeper issue. it is ignorance but it's ignorance in volume that's overwhelming to the trans userbase. chiding people to cut it out has been tried for months. people don't read the careful explanations. downvotes on transpositive content is just a more cut and dry criteria for cleaning it up.
also, I need to stress - that was my day yesterday. this goes back two months. I'm just not clicking through my post history to dig it all out. it's really not an extremely small minority of the userbase - it's a substantial minority. (no one is claiming that it approaches anything like a majority)
I really can't stress enough the amount of time I've sunk into education on this issue on this site already. it's a neverending sink of my time and energy.
25% downvotes points to a small but dedicated minority of users that are mad about trans people. see my other replies in this thread for a deeper analysis.
also, transphobes are antithetical to my existence as a trans person - why on earth would I tolerate any in leftist spaces? "they're not a majority" is really shit reasoning for not getting rid of reactionaries.
!transenby_liberation@hexbear.net - click this link and look at the votes. EVERY post has 25% downvotes. EVERY post. you're complaining that people may misinterpret intent but why is intent what matters and not impact? what message is being sent to the person coming to ask questions about their gender? what message is being sent to the person celebrating starting HRT? trans people have left this site because of the hostile atmosphere and the votes only capture the surface of that.
there was just a stupidpol raid there, if you look at the second page, there's like 0 - 1 downvotes. no doubt transphobes should be banned, but an actual pattern needs to be established and two - three down votes doesn't establish enough of a pattern, at least to me. almost half of the bans last night were overturned because those people weren't transphobes. if people want to be that way they'd probably be at stupidpol. the vast majority of posters here are not bigoted assholes.
trans people are leaving the site - you're still worried about intent over impact. accounts are cheap. the actual humans being driven away, not so much.
i haven't seen any posts by people saying they're leaving because they're experiencing transphobia, and i just don't see this giant amount of transphobia that you claim to see here.
because most of them aren't posting about it. they're just leaving. so people notice and DM them to ask why - it's the same thing over and over, a hostile atmosphere. the downvotes capture the surface of the problem - support posts and love threads get downvotes.
the deeper problem is the level of push back every single thread about cissexism gets. someone points out that a game has shitty elements? thirty post subthread because "this has shitty elements" means "you're a shitty person for liking this" to a disturbing percentage of the user base.
and that's just my experience. I'm tired of having to fight a struggle session every time cissexism and transphobia comes up on this site. it makes it impossible to relax here. it's triggering and I too will eventually leave if it never lets up.
fuck that game and that company and anybody that defends that shit and good on you for being more patient than i would be. i still say those users make an extremely small minority of people here and i think most of those examples are just ignorant and unaware, not hateful, but those are decent examples of prejudice and i can see how that type of presence would create a hostile environment. i don't think having downvote cops is the solution to the problem, and think it should be addressed directly.
the downvote ratio on posts calling out transphobia pretty consistently show about 25% disapproval. people noticed that it was extremely consistent, which is how anyone got the idea to check voting patterns in the first place.
which is the deeper issue. it is ignorance but it's ignorance in volume that's overwhelming to the trans userbase. chiding people to cut it out has been tried for months. people don't read the careful explanations. downvotes on transpositive content is just a more cut and dry criteria for cleaning it up.
also, I need to stress - that was my day yesterday. this goes back two months. I'm just not clicking through my post history to dig it all out. it's really not an extremely small minority of the userbase - it's a substantial minority. (no one is claiming that it approaches anything like a majority)
I really can't stress enough the amount of time I've sunk into education on this issue on this site already. it's a neverending sink of my time and energy.
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25% downvotes points to a small but dedicated minority of users that are mad about trans people. see my other replies in this thread for a deeper analysis.
also, transphobes are antithetical to my existence as a trans person - why on earth would I tolerate any in leftist spaces? "they're not a majority" is really shit reasoning for not getting rid of reactionaries.