Stop calling me a lib lol i wanted to know if tolkien is cool or not.

Also lol imagine reading, i only watched the movies, which have no right being so good.

  • CommieMisha [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Tolkien never actually established the origins of the Orcs. There were a bunch of different explanations from JRRT and his son, but no clear cut explanation as to where the Orcs are from.

    • Duo [any]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, Tolkien's idea of the Orc changed a lot over time, but I buy the idea that they were elves that were captured and corrupted by Morgoth, since that ties in with the idea of everlasting flame, or life essence, or whatever, in that only Iluvatar can make true life that is not just an automaton, thus Morgoth needed make his servants by corrupting existing beings rather than wholly creating them himself.

      • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        only Iluvatar can make true life

        I believe some of his servants can as well but only because he bestowed them with the power to.

        One of his servants created the Dwarves cuz he was worried Iluvatar was struggling with making men so he created a prototype version. Iluvatae was kinda pissed but go his heart was in the right place and let the Dwarves live. Apparently it’s a matter of theological debate in middle earth if dwarves can go to heaven or not cuz of this.

        • CommieMisha [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I thought it was that the servant created dwarves but they were not "alive", just bound to the will of their creator. Iluvitar bestowed life on them later but made it so that they had to wake up at the same time as men?