Stop calling me a lib lol i wanted to know if tolkien is cool or not.
Also lol imagine reading, i only watched the movies, which have no right being so good.
People who browbeat over media consumption aren't worth your time
Yah know you and your ilk can keep saying this every time we have a media struggle session.
They’ll keep happening.
Thanks woof for always being the kind uncle of the situation
people really gotta get over liking problematic media. all media is problematic, because it is made by humans with problematic biases in their worldview, whether conscious or unconscious.
if you like Birth of a Nation, or stand up by Jeff Dunham that's a bit different. Bust with shit like LotR, Cuberpunk, etc....well, yeah, as long as you recognize the faults it's fine.
I saw the Jeff Dunham holiday special this year after not engaging with his stuff prior to radicalizing. The terrorist bit is god awful and it flew completely under my radar before.
Hand-wringing over media consumption is the 69th form of liberalism
Bro i was just asking if im weird if i like the movie where they hype up the fact that the west will control the world.
You dont need to also tell me true stuff about me.
Making consumption your primary mode of political expression and/or praxis is a twelfth type of liberalism.
Yes it's dope as fuck, I'm rereading it right now. I don't really get the (probably ironic) take that the orcs are actually good or something. There's some weirdness about the southerlings and easterlings but I haven't gotten to the parts where they are explained in depth, if they are at all in LOTR, they may only be really fleshed out in The History of Middle-Earth or some other texts.
Tolkien never actually established the origins of the Orcs. There were a bunch of different explanations from JRRT and his son, but no clear cut explanation as to where the Orcs are from.
Yeah, Tolkien's idea of the Orc changed a lot over time, but I buy the idea that they were elves that were captured and corrupted by Morgoth, since that ties in with the idea of everlasting flame, or life essence, or whatever, in that only Iluvatar can make true life that is not just an automaton, thus Morgoth needed make his servants by corrupting existing beings rather than wholly creating them himself.
only Iluvatar can make true life
I believe some of his servants can as well but only because he bestowed them with the power to.
One of his servants created the Dwarves cuz he was worried Iluvatar was struggling with making men so he created a prototype version. Iluvatae was kinda pissed but go his heart was in the right place and let the Dwarves live. Apparently it’s a matter of theological debate in middle earth if dwarves can go to heaven or not cuz of this.
I thought it was that the servant created dwarves but they were not "alive", just bound to the will of their creator. Iluvitar bestowed life on them later but made it so that they had to wake up at the same time as men?
Rohan and Gondor were settler-colonial feudal empires (as had been the kingdom of Arnor in the North and some of the elves). It isn't a terrible take that the Orcs fighting the settlers were good guys even if it wasn't really for the Dunlendings or the Southern/Eastern peoples.
Also Saruman was an industrialist and was trying to develop industrial capitalism so he is arguably a step forward from the feudal societies of men, orcs, and dwarves.
No. Its primarily an environmentalist/anti-industrialist work. Motherfucker spends like 2 pages describing a tree and a paragraph on a huge battle. All the problems criticisms of it are real but aren't like deliberate. Just don't repeat all those mistakes again and you should be more critical of newer fantasy.
I like Larry Niven and Heinlein novels, but i'd give both of them a solid hook to the jaw. You're fine.
u r white ethnonationalist but not because of ur media consumption no worries.
hand wringing over media consumption is the 69th form of liberalism
Unless you're trying to unlock the full skill tree for a Led Zeppelin or D&D fan, I wouldn't bother.
