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  • Duo [any]
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    4 years ago

    I think it doesn't make a lot of sense trying to imagine what communism will look like, as we don't even have a universal conception or implementation of socialism yet. But under socialism I don't think money will exist; labor will be validated through a labor voucher/token system to make sure that production/consumption can be balanced and rationalized, but these tokens won't be money since they cannot be exchanged, they can only be redeemed once.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Would these tokens effectively be currency that is consumed once it's spent?

      For example, after a hard, four-hour day at the socialism factory I get my Marxbux. I can use them to buy things I want -- say, some nice furniture -- but the furniture store can't then spend those Marxbux elsewhere (or maybe they can only use them to pay their workers?). Would the furniture store obtain new pieces of furniture through centrally planned distribution, then, or some other way?

      • Duo [any]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah, this would be essentially how it works. You would go to the furniture store, and redeem x labor vouchers for some furniture, and then the furniture store would pass that data on to the planning agency, which would then use the data of how labor vouchers are spent at the furniture store in its allocation of labor units to the store in the form of new stock, utilities expenses, labor vouchers for their workers, etc.

    • Des [she/her, they/them]
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      4 years ago

      i'd imagine you would recieve tokens on top of guarunteed food, housing, utilities, and transport correct? and the tokens "value" would continue to rise as society reaches post-scarcity FALGC? basically a daily consumer good ration that eventually becomes just a relic as the average person just loses the desire for obsessive consumerism once their needs are fully met

      • Duo [any]
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        4 years ago

        Sure, whether or not all those things are guaranteed of course depends on the specific implementation but ideally the collective production of society would be able to provide those guaranteed rights. In Paul Cockshott's model, labor tokens would expire after, say, several years in order to prevent severe fluctuations in the balance of production and consumption due to saving and then spending all at once. But yes, while one labor voucher would still continue to represent the same amount of labor time, as the general productivity of society increases due to automation, over time one labor voucher would be "worth" more, in that one would be able to redeem it for more stuff.