If it had to be one I think I'd send Musk. Bill Gates is kind of a spent force, he's in his "be philanthropic to make up for all the shady shit I did", so I think he's done most of the harm he's going to do. Bezos is a close second pick, but I think he's less actively bonkers than Musk. Zuckerberg I think is an alien anyway so they probably wouldn't take him.
Gates's philanthropy is doing harm, though. His foundation funds school choice initiatives and lobbied against COVID vaccine patent wavers for poor countries. He was also a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn't bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.
Honestly, a lot of people write shit about Gates to try to discredit him, and lots of people lap it up. He's a bogeyman.
Funnily enough, he was the devil incarnate for this Linux user back in the 90s... nowadays he often comes across as the only adult in the room.
IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn't bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.
Are you doing a bit? This is exactly what happened because there weren't any patent waivers granted at the peak of the pandemic. Low income countries still have devastatingly low vaccination rates as a result.
You are still assuming that some third party/parties could/would magic a cheap effective vaccine clone into existence at the time it was most needed and most profitable to do otherwise.
Also, the perceived value of vaccination for immediate personal health has waned now that most people have caught covid, so I expect the number of recent vaccination shots to be consistently lower throughout the world.
No. You don't get to weasel your way out of defending your central argument. You said:
IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn't bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.
Defending patent exclusivity will bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion. This will save lives. Very pragmatic. You said that.
So, why are first dose vaccination rates in poorer countries still less than half of the full vaccination rate in wealthy nations? It's because no timely vaccine deployment occurred. Delays and death were not prevented. Gates' supposed magnanimous goal failed spectacularly by any reasonable measure. The only thing he protected was billions in profits at the expense of human lives.
You also don't understand what a patent waiver even means:
You are still assuming that some third party/parties could/would magic a cheap effective vaccine clone into existence at the time it was most needed and most profitable to do otherwise.
A patent doesn't mean, "Sorry folks! We cured this disease, so nobody else can make their own cure! Too bad, so sad!" It means they've published how to make something, but can legally bar anybody from reproducing their work. It's an instruction manual you aren't allowed to follow, to protect their profits. A patent waiver removes that restriction.
If you do understand that, and are instead arguing that the global South is just too stupid to be able to follow instructions, well... then we fundamentally disagree on the foundations of ethics and humanity, and I don't want to ever speak with you again.
I understand the patent system very well, albeit in another context. I support much shorter/stricter criteria for patents in general, as well as waivers where it makes sense.
The argument is that nobody (no person, no company, nor government) would have mass produced or distributed cloned/copied covid vaccines to these areas faster at that point in time (even if approval processes were largely waived).
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html discusses some of the complexities in Africa, if you are interested. I agree that the response could have been better, but it could also have been worse. Other places had their own issues.
I don't think the current vaccination % means much, given that most people on the planet have been exposed to it, often multiple times.
Why would anyone who gets a mild case every few months bother to vaccinate? There are reasons, but not many that resonate.
"be philanthropic to make up for all the shady shit I did"
Bullshit. His "philanthropy" is part taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other, and part eugenics and dubious medical experimentation upon poor people in impoverished countries and further expanding his fossil fuel investment portfolio and fucking over public education.
Well now, hold on. Are the aliens going to eat the person we pick?
Yeah if they communicate by dissecting the person's brain and then don't put them back together... fuck can we pick all 4???
If it had to be one I think I'd send Musk. Bill Gates is kind of a spent force, he's in his "be philanthropic to make up for all the shady shit I did", so I think he's done most of the harm he's going to do. Bezos is a close second pick, but I think he's less actively bonkers than Musk. Zuckerberg I think is an alien anyway so they probably wouldn't take him.
Gates's philanthropy is doing harm, though. His foundation funds school choice initiatives and lobbied against COVID vaccine patent wavers for poor countries. He was also a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
Gates knows it. He is secretly buying up farmland. He is a reset guy. He wants to kill off the poor and live in a palace in New zealand.
Fair enough, I think I'd still send Musk first though because he's also the most annoying one.
IIRC, the reason was that it wouldn't bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion, which would likely result in delays and more death. Pragmatic.
Honestly, a lot of people write shit about Gates to try to discredit him, and lots of people lap it up. He's a bogeyman.
Funnily enough, he was the devil incarnate for this Linux user back in the 90s... nowadays he often comes across as the only adult in the room.
Are you doing a bit? This is exactly what happened because there weren't any patent waivers granted at the peak of the pandemic. Low income countries still have devastatingly low vaccination rates as a result.
You are still assuming that some third party/parties could/would magic a cheap effective vaccine clone into existence at the time it was most needed and most profitable to do otherwise.
Also, the perceived value of vaccination for immediate personal health has waned now that most people have caught covid, so I expect the number of recent vaccination shots to be consistently lower throughout the world.
No. You don't get to weasel your way out of defending your central argument. You said:
Defending patent exclusivity will bring covid vaccines to poor countries in a timely fashion. This will save lives. Very pragmatic. You said that.
So, why are first dose vaccination rates in poorer countries still less than half of the full vaccination rate in wealthy nations? It's because no timely vaccine deployment occurred. Delays and death were not prevented. Gates' supposed magnanimous goal failed spectacularly by any reasonable measure. The only thing he protected was billions in profits at the expense of human lives.
You also don't understand what a patent waiver even means:
A patent doesn't mean, "Sorry folks! We cured this disease, so nobody else can make their own cure! Too bad, so sad!" It means they've published how to make something, but can legally bar anybody from reproducing their work. It's an instruction manual you aren't allowed to follow, to protect their profits. A patent waiver removes that restriction.
If you do understand that, and are instead arguing that the global South is just too stupid to be able to follow instructions, well... then we fundamentally disagree on the foundations of ethics and humanity, and I don't want to ever speak with you again.
I understand the patent system very well, albeit in another context. I support much shorter/stricter criteria for patents in general, as well as waivers where it makes sense.
The argument is that nobody (no person, no company, nor government) would have mass produced or distributed cloned/copied covid vaccines to these areas faster at that point in time (even if approval processes were largely waived).
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html discusses some of the complexities in Africa, if you are interested. I agree that the response could have been better, but it could also have been worse. Other places had their own issues.
I don't think the current vaccination % means much, given that most people on the planet have been exposed to it, often multiple times.
Why would anyone who gets a mild case every few months bother to vaccinate? There are reasons, but not many that resonate.
holy shit youre a fucking ghoul
Death to America
Bullshit. His "philanthropy" is part taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other, and part eugenics and dubious medical experimentation upon poor people in impoverished countries and further expanding his fossil fuel investment portfolio and fucking over public education.