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  • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    Argentina wasn’t remotely similar to Nazi Germany despite also being an oppressive dictatorship.

    I'm not going to argue about some fascists being slightly better than others, especially when literal Nazis fled to Argentina after the war. "Oh they're not really Nazis, come on" is a flat-out right-wing talking point. They ran a murderous terror campaign against their domestic opponents that's still being unpacked today. They tortured and killed tens of thousands of their own people. There's zero reason to give them the benefit of the doubt that they'd be kind to a few thousand foreigners.

    it could have been that only some of the soldiers were drafted

    Defeated fascist soldiers claiming they have no culpability and are in fact victims themselves.... should we take that at face value? Have we seen that anywhere before?

    an escalation which was itself an act of aggression

    That's not how the concept of aggression works. If you're minding your own business, I point a gun at you, and you smack it away, there's only one aggressor in that scenario.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        Denying that isn’t a right wing talking point.

        It is when you're talking about fascists!

        they’d just have to not exterminate most of the population, which is not, actually, consistent with their behavior domestically

        You're living in fantasy land. There is absolutely no reason to believe that fascists who'd already murdered 30,000 would suddenly get cold feet at a few thousand more, especially when they're defeated foreigners. And again, stopping a fascist invasion has inherent value, even if you just think the islanders would "just" be forced from their homes.

          • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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            Literal Nazi Germany’s objective was mass extermination

            Well no, there were years of other strategies to push "undesirables" out of Nazi territory before the final solution was implemented. That's the thing about fascists -- you can't let them hang around, because while they don't start with extermination, the ideology points squarely in that direction.

            If the goal is to stop the fascists from murdering people, then engaging in a war with these particular fascists, thereby getting them to murder people, was an awful way to do that.

            You heard it here, folks: don't fight the fascists just because you want to force them to stop murdering people!

            other fascists like the British

            So the Argentine junta and Nazi Germany are totally different, but Britain and Nazi Germany are totally the same. This is a coherent worldview. But of course anti-imperialist violence against Britain is necessary -- but this ain't that. The Falklands are not Northern Ireland, for instance.

            protecting the Falkland Islanders from genocide

            You keep making this claim more and more absurdist (now it's genocide!) because that's the only way you can justify abandoning people to fascists actively butchering tens of thousands. Again: stopping a fascist invasion has inherent value. We've tried appeasement, and it doesn't work.

      • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        They wouldn’t have to “be kind”, they’d just have to not exterminate most of the population

        Setting a high bar for which invading army I will defend on a leftist forum

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                The ones who went "straight to war" are the ones who decided to conduct an invasion, which is just about if not the absolute most clear and plain example of an act of war that exists.

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                        The British response was entirely predictable, so the blame for outcomes here lies with the aggressor, which in this case is undeniably the right wing junta that was running Argentina.

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                            There's exactly zero fucking diplomacy to do when they'd already been in talks about the islands and Argentina abandoned those to take up arms.

                            Argentina had exactly the same opportunity to pursue diplomacy or do nothing, so even these incredibly weak claims you're making are at least equally applicable to Argentina as well. I'm not even sure what you're trying to accomplish at this point.