Seriously tho.
And I don't mean that in a dunking kind of way, I just genuinely think it's an interesting way to go about things.
Seriously tho.
And I don't mean that in a dunking kind of way, I just genuinely think it's an interesting way to go about things.
in defense of vegetarianism - it can be done in theory without ever causing an animal to die, which is a unique line to draw. most vegans are compromising in some aspects (eg animal testing, pets, not doing secondary boycotts) if you hold a purist anti-speciesist stance.
Well thats just incorrect. Vegetarianism does cause animals to die.
Cows need to be pregnant to make milk what do you think happens to the baby cows? Only female hens lay eggs, what do you think happens to the male chicks? That's right, they are killed. So are the female cows and chickens by the way, just as soon as milk or egg production drops off, and at a fraction of their normal lifespan.
i am aware of these things, but this is under capitalism. where in an ideal world we would be caring for these animals for their whole lifespan - except animal ownership is speciesist and so maybe we wouldnt even do that
I don't know if we can blame capitalism for this one. Animals have been killed when their usefulness to humans runs out under every system ever.
sure but that was not post-scarcity and under a different ethics system. the point i was making was it is possible to be vegetarian without the directly causing the death of animals - it's just almost impossible to do so in our current society
Under what real world ethics system would dairy cows who have stopped making milk, their calves, female chickens who have stopped laying, and their male counterparts, to live out their natural life spans (10-22 years), while also being a system under which milk and eggs are harvested?
People do this all the time with family animals. Many people I know keep chickens until they die, regardless if they are still laying eggs. Same with cows. I don't keep pets and avoid dairy/egg products but I don't think they're doing anything shameful.
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I agree, but you can draw the line at murder vs exploitation consistently if you so choose. Most of the world seems fine with exploitation. I am not quite convinced yet that animal exploitation is worse than human exploitation, and my existence still relies on both happening despite how much I try to minimise it.
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I'm aware. But it's impossible to live without consuming products that were created by exploiting humans and depending on your circumstances, the same goes for animals. It's easy for me to live without directly causing the death of either. I strive to minimise my harm to both. Are you intentionally avoiding the point I'm trying to make here?
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