And to be 💯% honest, it was hard during this to be targeted+marred as some sellout-enemy of the people over a late tactical disagreement over 1 floor vote.Also a bummer to see figures excuse comments like “f- her and f- anyone who protects her.” That’s not tone,that’s violence— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) January 2, 2021
thanks. I'm torn on the issue as well, and I agree with you that BJG's case for it is the most persuasive I've heard.
Where I draw the line is at turning on one of the few politicians who are vaguely on our side.
this entire notion of a vote galvanizing people, and an AOC floor speech changing hearts and minds; it reminds me of Chapo's criticisms of the west wing...its literally a daydream born out of naive electoralism. it has no regard for how little power the left has.
Idk. With everything I said against forceTheVote, I still think electoral politics is where the energy & focus is at right now. We desperately need ways to politicize the worker's movement, I do think the real work that needs to be done is in unionization votes & worker agitation. I would have loved for this energy to be put behind like idk, a mass IWW drive or something, but it's not like I drive these conversations. But maybe this whole force the vote thing is better than nothing. If focusing on forceTheVote pulls energy from worker's organizing, then yes, it should be avoided - but is it really? Isn't it like "do we hold Pelosi hostage, or do we not?" Are we really losing any political capital by Twitter people shitting on AOC?
It sucks, my analysis is so tainted by just agreeing with various podcasters who talk good. And I know it sounds technocratic but I am tempted to defer to DSA, considering they've been pretty instrumental in pushing M4A to the forefront, and because they're the closest thing to a large left party (even if I've disagreed with a lot of its strategy in the past). But I still don't know that I've heard a proper argument against forcing the vote. Lots of anti-forceTheVote shit is "this isn't how it works" which is what I said in my previous comment, and still agree with - but I'm also just not sure what the downsides are to this type of high-level political agitation. Like will AOC lose any support over this? I doubt that.
thanks. I'm torn on the issue as well, and I agree with you that BJG's case for it is the most persuasive I've heard.
Where I draw the line is at turning on one of the few politicians who are vaguely on our side.
this entire notion of a vote galvanizing people, and an AOC floor speech changing hearts and minds; it reminds me of Chapo's criticisms of the west wing...its literally a daydream born out of naive electoralism. it has no regard for how little power the left has.
Idk. With everything I said against forceTheVote, I still think electoral politics is where the energy & focus is at right now. We desperately need ways to politicize the worker's movement, I do think the real work that needs to be done is in unionization votes & worker agitation. I would have loved for this energy to be put behind like idk, a mass IWW drive or something, but it's not like I drive these conversations. But maybe this whole force the vote thing is better than nothing. If focusing on forceTheVote pulls energy from worker's organizing, then yes, it should be avoided - but is it really? Isn't it like "do we hold Pelosi hostage, or do we not?" Are we really losing any political capital by Twitter people shitting on AOC?
It sucks, my analysis is so tainted by just agreeing with various podcasters who talk good. And I know it sounds technocratic but I am tempted to defer to DSA, considering they've been pretty instrumental in pushing M4A to the forefront, and because they're the closest thing to a large left party (even if I've disagreed with a lot of its strategy in the past). But I still don't know that I've heard a proper argument against forcing the vote. Lots of anti-forceTheVote shit is "this isn't how it works" which is what I said in my previous comment, and still agree with - but I'm also just not sure what the downsides are to this type of high-level political agitation. Like will AOC lose any support over this? I doubt that.
As you can see I cannot log off.