We shouldn't play softball with the likes of AOC, but we should absolutely treat them with good faith. "Fuck you and everything you stand for you worthless sellout" is not treating someone in good faith. "You're worse than Pelosi" is not treating someone in good faith.
the ppl supporting m4a arent the ones denying ppl healthcare and holding a failed vote wouldnt change that, you gotta do real organizing if you want healthcare idk what to tell u
there's no difference between the means and mechanisms of left and right politics. surely they're exactly the same. one definitely isn't in accordance with bourgeois interests and one opposed.
you have a shit understanding of the world, if you want power you go build it, getting angry at aoc and posting about it online isnt considered praxis or organizing. self proclaimed communists getting wound up over congressional votes you hate to see it
Oh yeah just go build power out of some power bricks, why didn't anyone else think of that, self proclaimed socialists defending liberal democrats, desperately trying to use humor to distract from it lol
lol there's no phantom back-room deal here; she said three weeks ago that progressives were trying to get PAYGO scrapped, and they got PAYGO scrapped:
“They aren’t demanding anything” is an assumption - and a false one. These structural negotiations happen, they just aren’t live-tweeted.
These negotiations started months ago, & include House rules, PAYGO exemptions, committee makeup, vote commitments, investigations, etc.
She said what the plan was and why, then did it. You can disagree with whether that was the best plan possible, but pretending there's some scramble to ass-cover here is just horseshit.
Well she said before that she was trying to get a floor vote for M4A and that she didn't care if it means only 1 term, so why the change all of a sudden?
Maybe she figured out that if you toss your career away over something as inconsequential as forcing a vote guaranteed to lose, you're not going to get much done.
I don't want politicians who make big dramatic statements and come away with nothing. I want politicians who at least have a plan to get something material accomplished.
The biggest takeaway from this whole fiasco is that wrecker behavior like this needs to be shouted down, and people who continuously engage in it need to be shown the door.
We're going to have politicians of some stripe at least until we achieve full communism. If they're going to be there anyway, I want ones who at least have a plan to get something material accomplished.
if you have any faith left in politicians you are kidding yourself. this is like saying 'if we're going to have cops i want ones that will stand against police brutality.'
they don't exist and the belief that any politician will get anything material accomplished for us is a hinderance. the only way anything will ever change is if politicians are forced to change shit through protest. they wouldn't be there if they were going to do anything to help you. even the 'good ones' don't do anything except provide false hope and promote faith in the electoral process. maybe if people stopped deluding themselves that some politician actually represented them they'd be more inclined to organize.
Where did I say to have faith in politicians? I said they're a fact of life for the foreseeable future. Whatever you do, they're going to be there, and they're going to affect your life. Ignoring that is just surrendering ground.
this is like saying ‘if we’re going to have cops
Every single socialist state, without exception, has had cops. We're going to have cops until we achieve full communism, too, and it's absolutely the same discussion.
We shouldn't play softball with the likes of AOC, but we should absolutely treat them with good faith. "Fuck you and everything you stand for you worthless sellout" is not treating someone in good faith. "You're worse than Pelosi" is not treating someone in good faith.
Nooo not my heckin AOCerino!!1! I promise she’s doing back-room deals! We have someone on the inside! Trust the plan!
stop being obsessed with aoc and politicians, its just as bad as people who idolize her
Stop being obsessed with the people denying healthcare during the pandemic? Just chill, huh?
the ppl supporting m4a arent the ones denying ppl healthcare and holding a failed vote wouldnt change that, you gotta do real organizing if you want healthcare idk what to tell u
The people supporting M4A support the people who are denying healthcare so yes they fuckin are
mate... a floor vote wasn't going to get you healthcare... a vote doesn't meaningfully affect public opinion. abandon hope in bourgeois politics.
No fucking shit it wasn't going to get anything, you commonwealth insect, it's about pressuring the leadership.
it's going to pressure no one into doing anything. try genuinely effective tactics.
Tell that to John Boehner and Eric Cantor
there's no difference between the means and mechanisms of left and right politics. surely they're exactly the same. one definitely isn't in accordance with bourgeois interests and one opposed.
Lol and who are you implying is on the left in the US Congress?
I'm referring to the people trying to pull that particular lever - you are trying to convince leftists of some sort to take action, no?
What lever? The lever for democrats to do leftist stuff? I'm trying to force succdems into admitting they are liberals
you have a shit understanding of the world, if you want power you go build it, getting angry at aoc and posting about it online isnt considered praxis or organizing. self proclaimed communists getting wound up over congressional votes you hate to see it
Oh yeah just go build power out of some power bricks, why didn't anyone else think of that, self proclaimed socialists defending liberal democrats, desperately trying to use humor to distract from it lol
lol there's no phantom back-room deal here; she said three weeks ago that progressives were trying to get PAYGO scrapped, and they got PAYGO scrapped:
She said what the plan was and why, then did it. You can disagree with whether that was the best plan possible, but pretending there's some scramble to ass-cover here is just horseshit.
Well she said before that she was trying to get a floor vote for M4A and that she didn't care if it means only 1 term, so why the change all of a sudden?
Maybe she figured out that if you toss your career away over something as inconsequential as forcing a vote guaranteed to lose, you're not going to get much done.
I don't want politicians who make big dramatic statements and come away with nothing. I want politicians who at least have a plan to get something material accomplished.
As if the career of a politician is supposed to mean anything to the left, and lmao trust the plan! You don't have a fucking plan, asshole.
The biggest takeaway from this whole fiasco is that wrecker behavior like this needs to be shouted down, and people who continuously engage in it need to be shown the door.
Oh muh discourse, we can't have anyone wrecking an alliance with Speaker Pelosi! Think of the movement!
Imagine trying to get anything done with this type of nonsense getting thrown around. Absolute poison.
Yeah, imagine not being able to do the work of rubber stamping the war in Yemen, what a shame
Randomly tossing inflammatory distractions into totally unrelated conversations = wrecker shit, full stop
You mean like calling people wreckers for opposing Nancy Peloski?
Who said anything like that? Fuck off
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We're going to have politicians of some stripe at least until we achieve full communism. If they're going to be there anyway, I want ones who at least have a plan to get something material accomplished.
if you have any faith left in politicians you are kidding yourself. this is like saying 'if we're going to have cops i want ones that will stand against police brutality.'
they don't exist and the belief that any politician will get anything material accomplished for us is a hinderance. the only way anything will ever change is if politicians are forced to change shit through protest. they wouldn't be there if they were going to do anything to help you. even the 'good ones' don't do anything except provide false hope and promote faith in the electoral process. maybe if people stopped deluding themselves that some politician actually represented them they'd be more inclined to organize.
Where did I say to have faith in politicians? I said they're a fact of life for the foreseeable future. Whatever you do, they're going to be there, and they're going to affect your life. Ignoring that is just surrendering ground.
Every single socialist state, without exception, has had cops. We're going to have cops until we achieve full communism, too, and it's absolutely the same discussion.