No link cuz I got the screenshot off discord.
[if being fascist was a crime] there would be far fewer Finns, Latvians, Danes, Bosnians, and Ukrainians
Although we should really push back on the historically revisionist narrative that most Ukrainians in WW2 were Nazis because by orders of magnitude the brave Ukrainians of WW2 were fighting against the Nazi invaders as part of the red army.
It's so fucked. There were a tiny handful of Ukrainian Nazis against millions of Ukrainians in the red army. It's just so fucked, I don't even have words.
I wish all the Finnish SS volunteers had been executed, maybe then we'd have fewer people going
”noooo there's no proof they committed war crimes! Just because they volunteered to fight for the Nazis doesn't mean they were actually Nazis!”look just because you swear allegiance to the nazis and then join their death squads and proudly take up arms on their behalf and use those arms on their behalf doesnt make you a nazi
Although we should really push back on the historically revisionist narrative that most Ukrainians in WW2 were Nazis because by orders of magnitude the brave Ukrainians of WW2 were fighting against the Nazi invaders as part of the red army.
was UkrainianFinns, Latvians, Danes, Bosnians, and Ukrainians
funny how the collaboes who are in those countries managed to effectively erased all their opponents in the regions, especially in the balkans
yes they should all be in the pit
"Killing Nazis makes you a Nazi" says the person arguing against the one thing that is historically proven to be effective in stopping Nazism.
What crime do you think merits the death penalty?
Volunteering for the fuckin' SS
That isn't a capital offense
tmI can't tell you how many times this shitty argument style has adversely affected my life.
Up to 100k or 60-80k did volunteer in Latvia, it is really bad. Some more populous countries had an order of magnitude fewer volunteers.
What extenuating circumstance could there possibly be for Danish people to join the SS? To protect themselves against Swedish invasion?
"Your honor, my mitigating circumstance is that I really hate the Jewish Bolshevik scum."
Bingo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_SS_Panzer_Division_Wiking
My nazi granpa's nazi best friend was one of the Norwegians who volunteered for this shit. I hope they're both burning in hell.
Wild times where people are defending actual SS nazis wtf. This is what all the normalisation of Nazis and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" talking points post Ukraine war have accomplished.
Which is taught as a matter of course in US schools. My high school US history class taught us that WW2 started when Hitler and Stalin formed an alliance to invade and divide Poland. The fact that we were allied with the Soviets was barely mentioned.
Bet you defend Vietnam vets too.
If you literally volunteer for the fucking SS you deserve to be shot.
This should not be controversial.
Bet you defend Vietnam vets too.
This is not a topic I'm well read on, but isn't it a pretty complicated / controversial issue? Given the draft and treatment of conscientious objectors I mean. Feel free to dunk on my dumb ass with enlightening info
I don't think you have to defend them to forgive them. Some vets do return to atone for their past actions and ask for forgiveness. And forgiveness they would often receive (although the Vietnamese who forgave here are typically descendants and wouldn't remember the war). They'd still have to be responsible for actions they took in the past. We all do. The sentence would vary depending on how much you still would want to excuse or justify your past actions. If you don't take responsibility, but rather blaming it on Uncle Sam, you're just mocking all the people you helped murder.
I think there's also a difference between I was drafted, purposefully injured myself on day one so I can go home, and I was drafted and begrudgingly followed orders because my life anr national pride should be prioritised over the lives of people I will help killing.
worth pointing out that the penalty for refusing was a maximum of 5 years in prison and/or a fine
they weren't going to be murdered over it
and though 5 years in a yankee prison isn't a picnic, you are also spending those years not being shot at by Vietnamese soldiers (or occasionally your own side lol)Also, there were networks that helped americans to dodge the draft and escape to Canada or Europe.
Also, god only knows about other expresion of antiwar praxis. I remember a lesser know uprising in one of the yankee bases in vietnam, that ended with destroyed helicopters and supression of the soldiers located in there.
Also most draft dodgers weren't prosecuted.
"A distinction is made between draft evaders and draft resisters. There were millions of men who avoided the draft, and many thousands who openly resisted the conscription system and actively opposed the war.[9] The head of U.S. President Richard Nixon's task force on the all-volunteer military reported in 1970 that the number of resisters was "expanding at an alarming rate" and that the government was "almost powerless to apprehend and prosecute them".[10] It is now known that, during the Vietnam era, approximately 570,000 young men were classified as draft offenders,[3] and approximately 210,000 were formally accused of draft violations;[11][3] however, only 8,750 were convicted and only 3,250 were jailed.[3] Some draft eligible men publicly burned their draft cards, but the Justice Department brought charges against only 50, of whom 40 were convicted.[12]"
This ought to be distributed far and wide. Shows how weak the US state was and how much it was dependent for imperialism on consent of its people. I do believe that draft dodging was punished differently depending on intersecting categories though.
This is why I have very little sympathy for any American who went to Vietnam or Korea. The punishment for draft dodging was in and of itself less awful than not draft dodging. And that’s only if you got caught.
Exactly how many members of the SS do you imagine were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs and refusing to participate? Lmfao. It's too bad the Soviets weren't given the chance to exterminate every Nazi in Europe
I don't think they should be considered to be members of the SS, despite serving in it.
The real SS members were the people who killed SS members.
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