I can't believe I gave these people money.

  • Falco [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    But we also recognize that Speaker Pelosi alone can’t deliver us a floor vote. The Medicare for All bill in the House needs to pass through six Committees’ jurisdiction, and it currently lacks financing language (i.e. how to pay for it), so it’s not a bill that can be voted on yet. This is why getting the bill out of committee has been one of DSA’s priorities. Over the past few years, working with other national and local groups, we’ve succeeded in pressuring chairs to hold the first hearings on Medicare for All in the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Rules, and Budget committees. These hearings were historic; the first ever on Medicare for All legislation.

    Seems like their just clarifying procedural congress shit. I don't know why you're upset with this.

    • anthm17 [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      They are literally spewing neoliberal lies.

      • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        yeah it's the same shit they used on bernie in the debate. 'how are we gonna pay for it?' despite the fact that it would actually save money... just not for the people who are already making bank profiting off of death.

        • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I don't see how it's the same. Neolibs are saying "how are we going to pay for it" to suggest that it cannot be paid for. DSA is saying the bill is still in 6 committees and the committees have not decides how it should be paid for yet, basically saying it is an incomplete bill. Meaning House Democrats are stalling

          • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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            4 years ago

            you have more faith in them than i do. to me they're using language that mirrors the DNC's position on it, and trying to justify their opposition to force the vote, despite them initially promoting it, before all of their reps declined to press pelosi.

            • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I don't have faith in them I just don't know how to read it any other way

              The Medicare for All bill in the House needs to pass through six Committees’ jurisdiction, and it currently lacks financing language (i.e. how to pay for it), so it’s not a bill that can be voted on yet. This is why getting the bill out of committee has been one of DSA’s priorities .Over the past few years, working with other national and local groups, we’ve succeeded in pressuring chairs to hold the first hearings on Medicare for All in the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Rules, and Budget committees. These hearings were historic; the first ever on Medicare for All legislation.

              to me this says its incomplete and we want it to be completed. The bill had hearings, which is a start, but were not completed. I don't know how else to interpret it. The DNC position is not that House Democrats are dragging their feet and are the only reason its not complete

                • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Is that not a factual statement? House Democrats have not prioritized this bill and there are 6 committees that have not finished their work. Financing language is probably some of the work that is remaining. They could've said "House Democrats refuse to complete M4A bill so it can't be voted on" and it would mean the same thing

                  • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    yeah, that's what they should have said. that's the point, they're mirroring the DNC language and homogenizing. they even stan for pelosi "not being able to deliver" a vote. this is passive language.

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yep, that's DSA for you. Useless bunch of rich college kids who just think that socialism is when the government does stuff. There is a reason why the retort of "they just want free stuff" sticks with them.

    • gammison [none/use name]
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      edit-2
      4 years ago

      Yeah if you read the bill, it creates a trust fund for funding m4a (really several funds) that must have money put into it, however how much money to put into it via what taxes or budget allocations since paygo is gone is not there. The statement dsa put out is completely correct. Like the answer it saves money via being cheaper and is funded with taxes is obvious but it still needs the actual amount of tax. Like the bill has to have an accompanying bill saying like defund military 100 billion and reallocate, tax the top 10 percent of income earners x amount etc or (unlikely) whatever it costs will be covered by currency creation if needed.

      • PowerUser [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        So why wasn't financing language included in the original bill?

        I also find it highly dubious that the leader of the democrats in the house is unable to pressure any committee chairs.

        • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Bills aren't introduced fully formed, they get finished in committees. This bill is still in 6 committees. The House Democrats clearly are not prioritising this bill because Pelosi could totally ask them to finish it quicker.

          • PowerUser [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            I'm not greatly familiar with the procedures of the US congress, but I don't see why a bill can't be introduced fully formed, and I don't see why they can't move amendments during the floor. And I don't know why the DSA are saying that it's not Pelosi's fault because of committees when the democrats have enough numbers in the house to move a discharge petition to get it out of the committees

            (Not that it matters because it should be obvious that the democrats don't support M4A and obvious why that is)

            • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I suppose it depends on the scope of the bill. M4A does have a pretty massive scope so it makes sense that many committees have to have input.

              The DSA statement was just describing the state of the bill so I guess they could've mentioned that Pelosi is responsible for this state not being finished. But everyone reading this knows that.