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The DSA rightfully should be trashed for this shit, but I just want to point out for people who aren't familiar that local chapters often have genuine comrades who disdain the national committee as well (though the locals are also filled out with a lot of libs). They still have their issues, but they can still be a good place to hang out as a baby leftist.
Yep, and what I'm getting at is that there are demcentralists (at some of the major chapters) working to change this. I have my doubts that they will be successful though.
I think you have a misunderstanding about the organization of the DSA. I agree with you entirely with regards to the National org. The regional chapters have a lot of independence from what the National org is doing, and are often more radical in major cities. They have their own issues that we can get into, but the criticisms of them are different than the criticisms I would have of the National DSA (though there is some overlap).
The fact that the DSA is not a unified demcent political party means both that dumb shit like "How do we pay for it?" liberalism happens, but also means that local chapters are free to do whatever they want. Still more of a weakness than a strength, but calling every DSA member "a bad person" is a bit much and leads to unproductive conversation imo
Right, you gotta specify what that "something else" is though because I agree that remforming the DSA into something useful is a bit of a stretch. It is still the largest leftist ["leftist"] org currently in the US though, so it's worth a shot imo cause if it is successful, then you really have a stew going.
Top reasons to [very critically] support the DSA:
It's lib-friendly, I can't tell my Bernie-fan friends to join my local Maoist reading group cause that's a bit much, but they might go to a few DSA meetings and get plugged into something mildly useful instead of sitting on their asses and :vote: ing
There is overlap and adjacency between DSA and other orgs (PSL, SAlt, Antifa orgs, Food not Bombs), so as time goes on your average DSA lib is gonna hear about these groups and potentially make the jump to one of them
No need to support a good DSA branch as much more than "a vaguely socialist meeting group for networking opportunities" until some sort of reform is done imo. My expectations are low, but above "actually you should leave now or you're a piece of shit"
Supporting the DSA in any way is actively harmful to leftist causes. They have decided they don't support M4A and they would rather echo neoliberal and right wing talking points.
The DSA rightfully should be trashed for this shit, but I just want to point out for people who aren't familiar that local chapters often have genuine comrades who disdain the national committee as well (though the locals are also filled out with a lot of libs). They still have their issues, but they can still be a good place to hang out as a baby leftist.
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Yep, and what I'm getting at is that there are demcentralists (at some of the major chapters) working to change this. I have my doubts that they will be successful though.
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That fucking sucks. Hopefully a new, more useful org will make itself available in your area.
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I'm not, I won't pay dues for this exact reason, but this take sucks.
It doesn't. There people are lying wreckers.
Look above, someone is lying about considering being given to how to pay for the bill. The taxes are laid out in the bill.
It's just a straight up lie.
These people aren't leftists. Not in any way whatsoever.
I think you have a misunderstanding about the organization of the DSA. I agree with you entirely with regards to the National org. The regional chapters have a lot of independence from what the National org is doing, and are often more radical in major cities. They have their own issues that we can get into, but the criticisms of them are different than the criticisms I would have of the National DSA (though there is some overlap).
The fact that the DSA is not a unified demcent political party means both that dumb shit like "How do we pay for it?" liberalism happens, but also means that local chapters are free to do whatever they want. Still more of a weakness than a strength, but calling every DSA member "a bad person" is a bit much and leads to unproductive conversation imo
Take the good people and do something else. Let this liberal anti-communist bullshit die.
Right, you gotta specify what that "something else" is though because I agree that remforming the DSA into something useful is a bit of a stretch. It is still the largest leftist ["leftist"] org currently in the US though, so it's worth a shot imo cause if it is successful, then you really have a stew going.
Top reasons to [very critically] support the DSA:
Supporting the DSA in any way is actively harmful to leftist causes. They have decided they don't support M4A and they would rather echo neoliberal and right wing talking points.
If the national org sucks then the org sucks.