Vegans and vegetarians can move along and enjoy their day. You're cool already, and off the hook.

Cows are ruminants. That's a group of animals that are specially adapted to eat nutritionally-useless grasses. That's their whole deal. If you're living in a pastoral or premodern farming society then that's great because you can't eat grass and you can eat cows, so it's free food. But instead you live in a society (insert meme) where we grow food specifically for cows then ship it to cows. Again, the animal that's specialized in eating things that have no nutritional value, so we're going out of our way to grow plants with no nutritional value, and then ship enough of it around to feed an animal anyway.

What does that mean? It means by whatever metric you choose, cow meat is worse than half as efficient as other common sources of animal protein.

Feed conversion ratios. Enough feed to make a pound of beef is enough to make 2.5 pounds of pork or 5 pounds of chicken.

CO2 per calorie. 1000 calories of beef costs 13.8 kg of CO2. 1000 calories of pork costs 4.45kg CO2. 1000 calories of chicken costs 3.37kg CO2. Also note lamb topping the charts, which will be a running theme. (Also an extra reason not to use broccoli as your primary calorie source, if eating 13 pounds of broccoli a day wasn't a good enough reason on its own.)

Land use per year per calorie. How much land did that 1000 calories take? You'll need 119 square meters for beef, 7.26 square meters for pork, or 6.61 square meters for chicken. Note lamb topping the chart again. (Also apparently prawns can be farmed super dense, that's something interesting that I didn't know.)

Why do sheep show up so high on some of these charts? Because they're also ruminants. Don't eat sheep either.

  • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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    It’s not actually hard to go vegan at all

    Idk, I'm vegetarian but have dietary restrictions that make going vegan difficult. Not impossible, and I do plan to go vegan some day, but it takes planning and I have to be really careful so I get the nutrition I need within both that and my other restrictions.

    I'm not saying this to be like "well I'm one of the good vegetarians, vegans BTFO"- I just think it's worth acknowledging that some people might have larger challenges with veganism than others

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      as far as possible and practicable

      This is the bit that people need to keep in mind. I'm glad you're trying to get there, in a way that's safe for you.

    • Pilot [he/him]
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      Obviously I'm not talking about people who have legitimate health problems and a diet change like that can cause problems. But 99% of people are fine and have no excuse

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      but it takes planning and I have to be really careful so I get the nutrition I need within both that and my other restrictions.

      Sounds like it's not worth it. Don't harm yourself over some useless moralizing.

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        I just said I'm not going to do it until I have a plan to do it without harming myself. Don't be a paternalistic ass

        And while it's not by any means a revolutionary act, I don't think going vegan is useless moralizing. Like, I don't think that eating dairy is inherently wrong, but it's certainly fucked up to do it in the current system. And I don't think that me or a few others choosing not to eat animal products is going to topple that system, but it seems like the bare minimum before doing any kind of work in that arena. I'm not condemning people who can't or won't go vegan, whether they have a "good" excuse or not, but I think it's kind of ridiculous how so many in leftist spaces are just so hostile to the very idea of veganism