That is an absolutely hilarious political move in this situation. It fucks things right up.
Think of the calculus here. You applauded this nazi but you're pretending now that your applause was accidental. What do you do? Refuse to extradite the nazi? That's gonna make it look like you're full of shit about your applauding being a mistake.
Either they agree to the extradition to cover their asses or they look like nazis. Either way this story stays news relevant for a good while now and they were hoping it would die down quickly.
Fuck yeah Poland , let the smug proud fuck stand trial for things that do not lawfully nor morally expire!
Because Canada fucking loves Nazis. Same reasons they let tens of thousands in after WW2, same reason their deputy PM is the unapologetic child of a Ukrainian Nazi, same reason they are part of the NATO Nazi alliance, same reason they clapped for a nazi in their parliament and thanked him for his service. THEY ARE NAZIS.
And if they do extradite him, does that mean they secretly like Nazis, or how does this work in your view
And if they do extradite him, does that mean they secretly like Nazis, or how does this work in your view
It's not a secret, Canada loves their Ukrainian Nazis. Extraditing a single Nazi would just be them caving to political and media pressure. For me to believe that Canada no longer loves Nazis they would have to put all the remaining Nazis on trial and demolish all their Nazi monuments. They would probably also have to reverse the Canadian law rejecting the Nuremberg trials and declare the Waffen-SS a criminal organization.
Look up who Chrystia Freeland's grandfather was for more interesting facts about Canada and Nazis.
That would just make them embarrassed Nazis, embarrassed since they've been called out.
No one's claimed they are out and proud nazis
They're not going to. If by some fluke they do, it means the Polish lobby in Canada is more powerful than I realized and more powerful than the Ukrainian lobby. If the Jewish lobby gets involved, then maybe. Seems like it's not going to have much to do with how Nazi Canada is or isn't, and more to do with the competition between various special interest groups and who happens to have more leverage at the moment.
At the very least it's given thedunktank a lot more posting material
Canada seems to be full of Ukrainian Nazis, their defense minister Chrystia Freeland's grand father was the chief ediotor of a Ukrainian newspaper for the Nazis. There might be political support for the Nazi against extradition.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/freeland-warns-canadians-to-beware-of-russian-disinformation/article34227707/
Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, who is being targeted by allegations in pro-Moscow websites that her maternal Ukrainian grandfather was a Nazi collaborator, warned Monday that Canada should expect to be the focus of Russian disinformation campaigns similar to what is happening in Europe and the United States.
TIL reality is putinist propaganda
First is guilt for putting him in this position. Second is the fact they don't really think these crimes matter anymore, they really think it's all over and that we've moved on from them.
Am I wrong for thinking it's an easy move on the part of Trudeau? He proves that it was an accident and they don't support Nazis, and there won't be any political push back either because nobody wants to look like they support Nazis.
nobody wants to look like they support Nazis.
Got bad news for you. The Libs are all apologists for Nazis now over this incident. They are beginning their transformation
nobody wants to look like they support Nazis.
Libs have been supporting nazis for literally like a year now
the liberals would feel guilty for convincing this guy to show his face and then getting him in trouble. they don't really feel like he should be punished.
Capitulating to a foreign power’s demands during a time where they already look weak due to the India thing.
Trudeau implied that this was the work of russian propaganda 😂 these guys are comically incompetent.
Im going to guess that western media will just mysteriously forget about this story in a week or two and never talk about it again.
This meme even looks like a Pole lmao
edit: I have been informed he actually looks like a normal Polish guy
an old timey 1800s one for a group that's considered white now. It's a slur in the way guido, wop or dago are. This house was built on ironic racism against Irish, Italians and Poles!
I think it's worth being careful with this. Anti Polish racism is alive and well here in the UK.
Yeah, in America it's more of a joke. But learning more about Britain as I grew up, it's crazy how the Polish hate is still just as strong as it was when my grandma lived there.
Yeah, I'll admit this was an Americanism of mine and I acted like a burger here. In America, poles are not really discriminated against and are basically Irish-American Whites indistinguishable from other whites beyond incomprehensible surname spelling. I hadn't considered that it was much worse in Europe
True. Maybe I'll avoid in the future. Everyone reading know I'm using it lovingly for Poland actually being based for once
Here in the UK we got a considerable amount of migrants from Poland, and the amount of racism against them was incredibly high. I never met a bad Polish migrant too, they are all lovely.
I never met a bad Polish migrant too
I've known a couple that were completely insufferable but that was just their personality not a consequence of being Polish. Also they shouldn't be expected to be perfect people they're just people same as you and me.
A slur's a slur. I've definitely seen Polish people get discriminated before. The article's literally about a living Nazi who was ethnically cleansing them. "Ironic" Racism is some far right BS. I'm not white btw. White people "ironically" being racist towards eachother is the cringiest shit to witness.
This ain't it chief anti-Polish racism is alive and well. Much like anti-Irish racism I was talking to a Scot recently who suggested to me that we put them in concentration camps
ironic racism
Is just good old fashioned racism I think. I'm glad you didn't mean it as a slur, but I've certainly never heard anyone use that word positively. Usually as a joke about how stupid people from Poland are. I knew it meant an impossibly stupid person before I knew even what Poland was.
It's definitely a slur in America. I have family who used it on purpose
Oh damn, I am just wrong then. I just live a region where we don't use it like that so I never had an occasion to learn
While you are factually correct you have the misfortune of living in a world where people are unaware of that.
Probably, but I'll allow it if you're making fun of my dad.
Hunka is from Ternopil region he most probably do have shitton of Poles in his ancestry, that region was along the city of Lwów mostly Polish in the past. Also western and eastern Slavs are basically identical in looks, you cannot recognize Czech from Pole from Ukrainian from Russian etc on a basis of look alone.
i was joking that the 'worst guy you know' meme looks like a polish person
Polish politicians have more political instinct than the Liberal party.
It took at least 5 days since the event, getting bullied by 2 parties on the parliament (they also clapped btw) and Maxime Bernier to shit on you to fire the ''person responsible'' (still a MP btw)
As a communist, it's a remarkable feeling shouting to the wind about the self-evident Nazification of Ukraine and the support by the West for its fascist client states, while being called a Russian bot in the flesh, only to then have every point you've made been proven utterly correct and for no-one to recognise it even when they have to clean up after themselves after having shit the bed.
Oh wait it's called Cassandra complex.
im about to lose my fucking mind lol. i am actually thinking it's time to put down the internet for good, even hexbear, because seeing all this nazi apologia even for dunking on is too much.
it makes sense that the unique significance of nazi germany would get muddled a bit over the generations, but holy shit, im in my mid thirties and "the soviets were worse than the nazis and joining the ss is sometimes a necessary thing "is a mainstream media opinion. we have and will not learn anything. im gonna puke if i read another one of these fucking articles or tweets.
I know what you mean, this event feels different for me. I mean the impact it has on me personally. I just....like...these people knew, man. They knew. 100%. They knew what they were clapping for. And they thought it was OK just because the Nazi had been fighting the dirty Russians. And then they're response to it all....
It's fucking disgusting.
the thing that really surprised me about all this is that it's so fucked that i actually felt disappointed by the canadian government. like i've known forever that my country is imperialist to the core. i've learned not to expect a single good thing from canada. yet somehow this apparently broke some kind of line I didn't know existed. i won't go as far as to say I was surprised, but i was disappointed, i didn't know it was possible for me to be disappointed by these ghouls anymore.
Yeah if you feel you need to take a break then I'd say take a break comrade.
Save your sanity for the shit that matters.
That being said, you're completely correct that it's insane seeing the discourse of 'the Soviets were as bad / worse that the Nazis' becoming more and more prominent.
"Tankie" just means "anyone who is correct*"
*anarchist comrades included here
Too bad it'll never happen. He's going to die comfortably at home, surrounded by his loved ones, and never leave Canada. We've done this song and dance before, and last time the Liberals bent over backwards to make sure the Nazis stayed in Canada.
He's going to die comfortably at home, surrounded by his loved ones
Y'know, I was thinking about this today.
This guy's got kids and grandkids and probably great grandkids. Did they know? His kids had to know, right? Did they just ignore that their father was a member of one of the most evil organizations to exist? Did all his grandkids just discover that oops, grandpa was a fucking Waffen-SS trooper from the news media?
There's no answer that isn't grim as fuck, and I can only hope he has no loved ones, that everyone who knew he was a Nazi immediately excised him from their lives.
a relevant canadian example is our deputy prime minister chrystia freeland who is that granddaughter of that nazi and spent a bunch of her adult life furthering his work in diminishing nazi atrocities and inventing soviet ones. then she became deputy prime minister and gave a standing ovation to someone just like her grandfather in parliament
Damn Poland really are pissed off with Ukraine dumping grain on the european market
I wonder if Russia intended that when bombing the port in Odessa, which seems to be their main target currently.
Because sure as fuck Ukraine didn't when they shit all over the grain deal. Instant karma lmao.
Ukraine at the moment are just being incredibly difficult and entitled in their dealings with the west. Although that is how all nations that consider themselves at war are like to deal with
Into the damn pit
