All the posts and statements going on with lines like "this woman is dead b/c if trump" or describing the incident as tragic are wild.

Maybe someone here can talk me off this point.

I get that a family lost a loved one but I just don't care?

Why should I feel sympathy for a QAnon freak who would kill me?

  • CarlMarksToeCheese [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    There's a piece of me that can't let go of the fact that she's still a human being. She got pumped full of hateful propoganda and charged in believing she was doing something good, and died for it. And it's an incredibly forceful response to shoot and kill someone in a situation like that, idk.

    Am I crying over it? Not at all. She'd probably want to kill me and you and a lot of people we care about, she's a vet who thought breaching a door like that was a safe idea, she's also a vet, I could go on.

    There's a nugget of empathy rattling around in me that keeps me from completely jumping up and down over this, maybe it's misguided, maybe because her beliefs aren't fully on display at that moment. It's an internal thing for me and I definitely won't scold anyone but you asked and I can kind of understand where those people are coming from.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Y'all need to fucking realize that not everyone wants to live in peace. You have enemies, and your enemies want to be your enemies. They like it. It gives them a sense of meaning and fulfillment. They will never see your common humanity because they do not want to.

      They have agency. They have made choices. They have chosen to be fascists. Respect that choice, and hate them for it.

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      She got pumped full of hateful propoganda and charged in believing she was doing something good, and died for it.

      Given her career it's far more likely she was an agent provocateur than a true believer.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        An agent provocateur wouldn't play chicken with a Secret Service officer that has a gun trained on her head. This is some really bewildering shit. Secret Service doesn't play games. She wasn't inciting other people to violence, she was leading the charge.

      • CarlMarksToeCheese [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        What makes you say that? Just curious, I just know she's an Air Force vet with 4? tours so the possibility she's just a veteran Q believer is higher than operative in my book, but if there's specifics to her career I'd like to learn about it

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          The news outlet that first broke her identity reported that she was a 'high level security official'.

          In case you're not aware, 3 letter agencies pretty routinely deputize troops for intel work. I've known enlisted troops who worked for the NSA when they were active duty, so a 'high level security official' would almost certainly be one of those (haven't been able to find her rank but I'm kinda over digging any deeper considering it's all tabloid trash and lib rags doing the reporting). I saw some other tweets claiming she was a cop but those seemed dubious at best.

          Are there authentically Q-pilled troops? Absolutely. Are there authentically Q-pilled cops? Absolutely. My argument is that the authentically Q-pilled troops doing intel work are outnumbered by agent provocateurs. The FBI's got folks on the 'kidnap Gretchen Whitmer' and 'bomb the Hoover Dam' plots but they don't have anyone on the ground yesterday? Seems far-fetched.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            4 years ago

            The Air Force is crammed full of Colorado Springs ultra-right wing Evangelical psychos. Like half the Air Force brass are apocalyptic death cult Evangelicals. It's a huge and notorious open secret.

            A high level Air Force security goon is pretty much the core audience for Q-shit.

          • CarlMarksToeCheese [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            Cool, I didn't catch that part of the news when I broke, and I'm aware of the deputization side of alphabet agencies. Reminding me about the FBI throwing up their hands and saying they had no idea etc has given me pause. Thanks for your response!

            • read_freire [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              Persuasive counterpoint(s): an agent provocateur wouldn't be at the front of the line like that putting themselves in harms way, and the Air Force officer corps is full of end-times evangelicals who would be prime candidates for Q-pilling.

              idk which is worse tbh

              • CarlMarksToeCheese [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                That's the 1 thing about it that made me scratch my head, I saw a different angle of it and the secret service people were plainly pointing guns at the door and yelling at people, climbing in like that flies in the face of basic military training no? But she was also in the Air Force, idk, and also just because she was trained doesn't mean she'll always make the right call

                  • CarlMarksToeCheese [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    I thought it was pretty see through, and where she climbed through the glass was broken through, definitely enough for her to read the situation

                • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Some people are willing to die for their convictions. Americans seem to have a really hard time understanding this lately, but there are (many) people in the world who are not dissuaded from pursuing their ideological goals even with death staring them in the face.