• kavila [any]
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    4 years ago

    I mean East Turkestan was seized in a period of imperial expansion and ruled from Beijing as a hinterland. Doesn't that mean that Mao should have released control of it? Since he didn't, doesn't that mean the CCP rules over an imperial possession? Making all this shit about stanning China completely ridiculous and hypocritical?

      • LibsEatPoop [any]
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        4 years ago

        tbf we gotta balkanize the whole world. but i'm not gonna say balkanizing china is better or more preferable or should be done before balkanizing the us and shit.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Sure but that shit happens AFTER all the capitalist states are gone.

          • opposide [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Congrats, you fixed imperialism! We had this whole struggle session just to figure it out!

            If only somebody had though of this before... oh well

            :thinkin-lenin:

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Doesn’t that mean that Mao should have released control of it?

      No, it means that he should have done his best to institute class consciousness and develop socialism in the territory, which is what he did.

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Imperialism isn't "when a government controls an area." What matters is that something is integrated into the main political system and not just ruled from afar and extracted from. And as far as I know, people in Xinjiang have the same voting rights as everyone else.

      • kavila [any]
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        4 years ago

        Do you have, for example, polling data showing that the majority of the region wants to be autonomous or anything like that?

        this is some ridiculous debatebro shit. no I don't have reliable polling data showing how many uighurs want to be autonomous. where the fuck would someone get that?

          • kavila [any]
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            4 years ago

            Elsewhere in this thread you said: [Uyghurs] don’t want to be part of china. What’s your basis for that assertion? That’s all I’m asking for.

            they gotta round them up and throw them into camps to make them more chinese

              • kavila [any]
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                4 years ago

                adrian zenz is unreliable because he doesn't speak chinese and claims shit like millions are being forced to pick cotton based on "data analysis"

                that the chinese government is mass-interning uighurs is not up for debate. I mean, OP is an official tweet bragging about re-educating them.

                  • kavila [any]
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                    4 years ago

                    I'm saying "vocational training" is a thought-terminating euphemism and there is a lot more going on, much of which you might not agree with. Your arguments are only valid if you believe the chinese government 100%, which I don't, and I think anyone would be stupid to.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      4 years ago

      East Turkestan is not a historical term for the region used by its inhabitants until the 1900s where two "East Turkestan Republics" popped up for a few years and did ethnic and religious cleansings, its an islamic separatist term and a fucking yikes look.