Mods need to apply the instant ban for transphobia rules to anyone spreading sinophobia.
Chinese (and other Asian) people are being subject to increasing violence and verbal abuse in the West due to a sharp rise in Sinophobia.
Propagandists like Zenz directly contribute to this surge in Sinophobia as part of pervasive consent-manufacturing against China.
I just think that if we're to ban people who downvote pro-trans posts, its also a no-brainer to ban hours-old accounts that spew sinophobic propaganda.
Personally, I think that the China issue is different from the trans issue. There are points of valid disagreement among leftists regarding China and I wouldn't (for example) want to see Anarchist comrades banned for saying that they oppose China as a state because they oppose all states. On the other hand, there is literally zero ground for a leftist to be anti-trans.
However, I just think that this particular case is super obvious.
We need a posting gulag/user union tribunal for shit like this
This one should probably be banned from what I'm seeing. They're parroting low tier reddit level shit.
Sadly they won’t, because they can’t. When I refuted it they just said they’re trying to fix me and that I’m white lol
wait, the "east turkmenistan" poster is a mod who is deciding whether to instaban people for "sinophobia"?
fuck this site
If you support the take in the posted tweet you irrevocably lose the right to call anyone else a lib forever
The take is literally "Women become freer and have more options in life as their role as birthgivers is reduced" except worded like shit.
Good job wrecking lol, you found the one subject that we've all agreed on. Makes it easy to spot the libs like you that just hate China because of Yellow Peril.
I know this is a bad faith troll but I'm going to make a quick response and explain why this is very shoddy propaganda, hopefully for someone else's benefit.
Take this article that OP linked: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
The government ordered one Chinese-born Kazakh woman to get an IUD inserted after her third child, the AP said. She was later told to pay a $2,685 fine for having more than two children.
That's the law for every Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity. The only thing that's changed is that the one child policy used to only apply to Han couples, now a less stringent version also applies to all Chinese citizens. If you have a third child you either get an IUD or pay a fine, that's the law. You're free to argue whether that's a good or humane policy but it's not some attempt to "purge the Muslim minority".
It also makes this claim about forced sterilizations:
Additionally, the AP said, citing several former detainees, that "women are subjected to forced IUDs and what appear to be pregnancy prevention shots."
"Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods," the AP reported. "After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile."
This is ludicrously fake. As of 2021 there are no known methods of permanently sterilizing women through pharmacology or injections, the science simply does not exist. There are birth control shots, but the only widely used method of permanent sterilization is tube tying, a surgical procedure. The closest thing is a long course of HRT, which would have far more effects than dizziness or fatigue. It would also be easily detectable and none of these articles have even speculated as to how the sterilizations are performed, probably because it's completely fucking fake.
People should discuss and share information on these issues but they should do so carefully and intelligently rather than posting extremely lazy propaganda they found in MSM or at the bottom of wikipedia pages.
“Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods,” the AP reported.
Take my opinion on this with a massive grain of salt because I don't have periods, but aren't they just describing side effects from depo provera? Which are more or less the same as just having your period to begin with?
Yup, depo provera is a possibility, it's at least plausible as opposed to a drug that doesn't exist.
It is weird though that none of these women got any blood tests from their doctors, which would've immediately confirmed high levels of MPA in their blood. Of course this would've immediately killed the story because depo provera is a well known contraceptive that wears off after a few months and cannot be used to permanently sterilize someone
Like it's one thing if you want to work through the ethical problem of forcing women with multiple kids to be medicated for the sake of the greater social good (given that it's highly gendered and disproportionately punitive to the poor), but you tip your hand when you equate birth control to sterilization and genocide the way these fundamentalists do.
Plus the ominous tone is honestly almost comical. Why not just go the whole way and say, after being drugged, several of the women were even purported to crave unhealthy foods and be excessively irritatable, as if the unknown serum had certain mind-altering properties.
If you scroll down in the article I think you can even find an artist rendering of one of the victims: Victim of Communism
Liberals trying to explain how the oppression of women is good actually if it means the CIA can use the group doing the oppression which they radicalized to splinter an enemy.
They literally said they're sterilizing women and youre cheering them on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Educate yourself please for the love of fucking god how are otherwise reasonable people so laughably evil on this topic
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Sure buddy
U sound like a rightoid with Le Soros
Can't blame people dunking on your shit on one guy, srry
This is a very good take, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Zenz is a racist German Christian man with no ties to China who has been sent on a crusade by god to end communism
You caught me, now I have to reveal I'm a CIA agent sent to disrupt the powerful labor organization happening on this website.
If Biden says he's implementing leftist """reeducation camps""" and sends armed goosesteppers to your door to pick you up, are you just fucking going? Like do you guys unironically fucking BELIEVE WHAT YOURE SAYING????
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
actually going through sources other people cite is a power move. :rat-salute:
Ok I know there were good reasons for us to turn off downvotes BUT the OP of this thread is kinda makin me miss em ngl
They literally said they are not sterilizing women but that women just in any developed nation are choosing contraceptives and sterilization procedures for their own personal benefit if they so choose.
Uh
How actually brainwashed are you
Or did you not read closely enough
Edit: To be clear, they straight up subtexted that they’re sterilizing women and youre cheering them on
It's not a bit, i was trying to be as sarcastic as possible by titling some straight up horrible evil shit as "based" and apparently it went over your head. Are you fucking white or smth, how can u support this?
No, and laughing and treating this shit as ironic haha shit is fucked up
You're literally like a republican who thinks someone saying "hey you know what maybe we shouldn't support israel" is doing a bit, like they literally cant comprehend someone having the view. Sad
Theres no subtext, they said that any claims of forced sterilization are wrong and any sterilizations or contraceptive measures are chosen by the women in question as a life decision.
Class reductionists pissing and shitting themselves everytime AES state puts priority into social justice.
Could you BE more of a fucking lib? Literally supporting woke concentration camps what the fuck
As others have pointed out, the nation-state is inherently imperialist, but as someone who stans China pretty hard but still has doubts about their rule over Tibet/Xinjiang, I get how that’s not the most satisfying answer
Especially as a Native American it can sometimes be frustrating to see concerns about self-determination for minorities in China being written off because “China’s controlled them for x number of years,” as if conquering a territory suddenly becomes okay after x number of years holding the territory
But the problem is, what exactly do you want China to do about it? Should they just cede control over two of their largest, most strategically-important provinces over to the capitalist world just to prove to Western leftists that they actually are committed to anti-imperialism? Right now, China’s rise to power is literally the only thing standing in the way of Western imperialist hegemony, and them self-sabotaging in the name of doing the right thing (and hey maybe it is the right thing idk) will be a massive setback to the project of anti-imperialism. Meaning if we consider self-determination for all peoples to be a long term anti-imperialist goal, then China giving up control of Tibet and Xinjiang would, ironically, be a net loss of progress toward that goal
Put another way, my people, or any other Native tribe, will not and cannot have self-determination until the American empire falls, but that won’t happen anytime soon if every socialist power just gives up half its territory for the sake of appeasing the sensibilities of Western leftists. It’s a weird, shitty situation, but I understand why China does what they do, it’s called critical support for a reason
You put this exactly how I was trying to have it sound. I fucking hate the idea of a state and want them gone because as we can see, they are one of the highest forms of oppression.
Unfortunately, people who do control a state will simply use theirs to rule over you until these systems of oppression are addressed and eliminated. That’s why I’m a ML despite my deep hatred for a state
You said it better than I could.
I would only add that the problem is not just "what do they want china to do about it?" But also, "what are western socialists supposed to do about it?".
The anti-china agitation blowing up reddit and twitter has no effect on CPC's decision making whatsoever. Just as in the first red scare, it is a stick to displine and divide leftists in the West. The only thing it accomplishes is to absolve the our empire's crimes by forcing critics to answer for the supposed crimes of an empire on the other side of the world.
Imperialism is a policy or ideology of extending the rule over peoples and other countries, for extending political and economic access, power and control, through employing hard power especially military force, but also soft power.
Uighurs are the peoples, CCP are the rulers that you inexplicably stan.
https://historicly.substack.com/p/demystifying-xinjiang-and-the-uighers
uighurs live very far away from Beijing, aren't chinese and don't want to be part of china
Uighurs are Chinese and have been for centuries.
True and not true. Xinjiang has been a contested region for going on 1500 years or so. It was decisively controlled by the Qing dynasty (who were foreign rulers and not Han Chinese) for a few hundred years until the Republican era, when it became its own sovereign state, just like Tibet, until the Communists re-conquered it in 1949. It was not "China" as such when the CCP came into power.
The thing is, "China" has always been a continuous civilization, never a continuous state. To say that Uighurs were "Chinese" in the Qing dynasty is roughly equivalent to saying Polish people were once Chinese because they were part of Pax Mongolia, which of course had its capital in Beijing.
the Communists re-conquered it in 1949
I suppose you think that the CPC "conquered" Beijing too. The communists didn't "conquer" shit, the revolution and subsequent liberation spread to those areas just as it had the rest of China.
I guess if we're going to be particular about our terms it was ultimately neither conquered nor liberated but more or less passed over to the CCP by the Soviets
Serious question: Are you pro-Soviet? If so, why did the state have to be liberated from Soviet backing?
how are uighurs chinese?
edit: if uighurs are already chinese then what are they being "reeducated" from?
Yeah but you're comparing two different governments. Obv what the US did to Cherokees was bad. But the essence of the question is the same, or not?
uh, imperialism is bad no matter which government does it. what the fuck website am I on?
But it's not imperialism? Isn't it internal politics? It's like calling schools imperialism because as a kid you have to go there
But it’s not imperialism? Isn’t it internal politics?
Sure, but that's also like saying Hawaii wasn't colonized because it's part of the US so it's internal politics. Both modern-day Hawaii and Xinjiang, however you feel about them, are clear examples of settler colonialism.
Edited to include a quote because the original poster is way the hell up there.
The Qing dynasty (Manchu, not Han, but let's not get lost in the weeds) genocided the Buddhist Dzungar and then initiated massive settler colonialism into Dzungaria. This isn't really disputed by anybody, except I guess whether you want to call it "migration" or colonization. Take your pick, Dzungaria was more or less the Qing version of Australia.
The Qing were the ones who destabilized the region, arguably sowed the seeds of Islamic extremism in it, and established Han settler colonialism. I'd go so far as to say all contemporary conflict in Xinjiang ultimately should be blamed on the Qing.
However, the CCP has yet to put an end to any of the things that the Qing started.
If Hawaii were to try to separate from the US in order to implement a theocracy by force( that even excludes other Muslim minorities) . A system even more oppressive than capitalism. Would you let them? How would you solve that problem?
My man, the future can redeem the past and our relationship to it but it doesn't change the events themselves.
Plus, you have to remember that China has been around for a long time and shifted wildly in the 20th century. I'm not even 100% sure what your analogy is directed towards. Xinjiang was taken over by a sharia theocracy for a brief period in the 30s. The region was and still is an absolute dumpster fire. IMO the best solution would have been for it to be integrated into Mongolia back when it was an autonomous state, but the Soviets were too concerned about Chinese retaliation to back it.
so the entire argument for this being okay is that uighurs are chinese and uighurstan is part of china?
you see how that could be debatable for someone who doesn't 100% trust the CCP, right?
Uighurstan is not a historical name for anything, its something that was thought up by separatists that aren't satisfied with an islamic state but want an Uighur ethnostate essentially, bad look.
Ah ok, it just set me off since I've heard interviews with separatists who describe it as wanting an ethnostate where even other muslims are either expelled or disenfranchised.
uighurstan
extremely disrespectful to advocate for ethnonationalism for an ethnicity you cant even spell or know the actual name of the claimed (and hugely unpopular separatist movement)
What are you smoking because your inability to understand words is making me want to have some
They explicitly describe them as no longer having that role, this is a phrased used by fucking Amnesty International and the BBC against countries like Iran, like fucking Business times does this its a common phrase.
I mean I'm a no nation's no border proponent myself, but I think that'll be possible once capitalism is overcome. So I see how it's debateable.
Looking at the major support China has from other Muslim countries (that arent US aligned) gives some comfort. China did had a uighur extremist/suicide bombing problem a few years back and had to do something. Also when Azerbaijan or France does reeducation camps it's not met with this much skepticism. China will be shortly/is the new world hegemon and you will see a lot of antagonization against that in the western world
Listen schools suck okay? They are authoritarian, totalitarian, Orwellian, and all the other bad "-ians". Change your analogy.
Schools may suck in capitalism because you're forced to learn useless shit for the ruling class, but nonetheless there's merit in having educated people?
yeah that's true. schools in a socialist/communist/anarchist system would be better, but then again, everything in such a system would be better.
Imperialism is when anyone is apart of a country that isn't ran by people that look and speak exactly like them.
Class-unity? Internationalism? True leftists only support ethnostates.
The same way the UK ruling over Wales isn’t imperialism or how the US existing at all isn’t imperialism or how Turkey ruling over the Kurds isn't imperialism or how the Spanish ruling over the Catalonia’s isn’t imperialism. They both just are and aren’t imperialism depending on what definition you use.
There’s no hard line between what is and isn’t imperialism, and the modern idea of a state is inherently imperialist if your definition is ruling over people who don’t want to be ruled over.
If you can provide an indisputable definition of imperialism then maybe we can get somewhere.
Yeah, all nations are imperialists. So till we get rid of nations as a whole, we need a better way of differentiating between, say, Alberta wanting to exit Canada and Catalonia seeking independence from Spain.
Exactly my point. They’re all technically imperialism because that’s how states work
how the US existing at all isn’t imperialism or how Turkey ruling over the Kurds isn’t imperialism or how the Spanish ruling over the Catalonia’s isn’t imperialism
Bruh
They’re all imperialism lol the nation state is a fuck. I actually said they’re all imperialism literally in my comment which is why I picked extremely obvious examples
I mean East Turkestan was seized in a period of imperial expansion and ruled from Beijing as a hinterland. Doesn't that mean that Mao should have released control of it? Since he didn't, doesn't that mean the CCP rules over an imperial possession? Making all this shit about stanning China completely ridiculous and hypocritical?
tbf we gotta balkanize the whole world. but i'm not gonna say balkanizing china is better or more preferable or should be done before balkanizing the us and shit.
Congrats, you fixed imperialism! We had this whole struggle session just to figure it out!
If only somebody had though of this before... oh well
:thinkin-lenin:
OP will be so proud of us. Should we send this to Adrian Zenz for “data analysis” ????
Imperialism isn't "when a government controls an area." What matters is that something is integrated into the main political system and not just ruled from afar and extracted from. And as far as I know, people in Xinjiang have the same voting rights as everyone else.
Doesn’t that mean that Mao should have released control of it?
No, it means that he should have done his best to institute class consciousness and develop socialism in the territory, which is what he did.
Do you have, for example, polling data showing that the majority of the region wants to be autonomous or anything like that?
this is some ridiculous debatebro shit. no I don't have reliable polling data showing how many uighurs want to be autonomous. where the fuck would someone get that?
Elsewhere in this thread you said: [Uyghurs] don’t want to be part of china. What’s your basis for that assertion? That’s all I’m asking for.
they gotta round them up and throw them into camps to make them more chinese
adrian zenz is unreliable because he doesn't speak chinese and claims shit like millions are being forced to pick cotton based on "data analysis"
that the chinese government is mass-interning uighurs is not up for debate. I mean, OP is an official tweet bragging about re-educating them.
I'm saying "vocational training" is a thought-terminating euphemism and there is a lot more going on, much of which you might not agree with. Your arguments are only valid if you believe the chinese government 100%, which I don't, and I think anyone would be stupid to.
it's like saying "I need a specific accusation of how DHS is mistreating the kids in cages". You don't throw thousands of people in camps for job training. So how about this:
nobody in there had a choice.
You do actually need specific accusations if you mean things other than like being put in a place where your movement is restricted is unpleasant, if there is "a lot more going on" you need specific claims of what more is going on because otherwise you dont have anything to back up your argument with.
I'm sorry but after someone said "East Turkmenistan" I'm done with this thread. I don't think anybody here has the slightest idea what they're talking about.
Very convenient then, that you should not have to back up your claims of "there is a lot more going on" once directly challenged, but whatever.
East Turkmenistan
lol goddamn nobody here has any idea what they're talking about do they?
absolutely nowhere in this thread did I say East Turkmenistan, East Turkestan or Uighurstan should be autonomous. I didn't give any suggestions at all. I just said it's fucked up and supporting China in this endeavor is not very leftist.
lol goddamn nobody here has any idea what they’re talking about do they?
You, specifically. It's pretty absurd how you know that terrorism is a legitimate issue in Xinijang and there's absolutely nothing credible suggesting that the Chinese government is doing anything but genuinely attempting to deradicalize and provide vocational training for people afflicted by religious extremism. Yet, you just have some hunch that the spooky Chinese people have to be doing something sinister?
I've actually -- believe it or not -- read some of the cables/documents known as the 'Xinijiang Cables' that Western media flouted as irrevocable 'proof' of 'Uighur Concentration Camps.' Let's look at some of the horrendous excerpts.
In the "combination boxing" and "three battles and one war" struggle to fight against terrorism and maintain stability, it is a strategic, critical and long-term measure to focus on free vocational skills education and training for key personnel. In order to thoroughly implement the relevant decision-making arrangements of the party committee of the autonomous region, further strengthen and standardize the work of the vocational skill training centers (hereinafter referred to as ‘training centers’), ensure the absolute safety of the training venue, improve the quality and efficiency of education and training, maximize education, save and protect key personnel, and promote the social stability and long-term stability of the whole of Xinjiang, based on relevant laws and regulations and based on Article 12 of the previous guidance on education and training, we again bring up the following opinions. First, ensure that the training venue is absolutely safe
- Adhere to the comprehensive combination of personnel defense and technological defense to strictly implement measures meeting requirements to prevent escape, noise, earthquakes, fire, and epidemics. It is strictly forbidden for police to enter the student zone with guns, and they must never allow escapes, never allow trouble, never allow attacks on staff, **never allow abnormal deaths, never allow food safety incidents and major epidemics, and they must ensure that the training center is absolutely safe and free of risk. **
- Family education. Through letter writing, phone calls, video chats, visits, meetings, meals, etc., establish a mechanism for students and relatives to interact with each other, to ensure that the students will have a phone conversation with their relatives at least once a week, and meet via video at least once a month, to make their family feel at ease and the students feel safe. Pay attention to the ideological problems and emotional changes that arise after family communications, and do a good job of timely ideological guidance. Explore the establishment of two-way teaching and two-way point system for local schools, and promote the transformation of students' education.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6558510-China-Cables-Telegram-English.html
this is a document from the chinese government. my basic thesis is that throwing people in camps because they are "baby-making machines" is never good and the only way anyone could think this is okay is if they believe the chinese government 100%. which is absurd.
maybe you need to go visit east turkmenistan and see for yourself
It's an leaked internal memo/operation's manual, not a press release. If there was any instructions to engage in sinister activity, then it'd be in there but it's not. You'd almost begin to think that a socialist* government that explicitly overthrew the previously nationalist-bourgeois government, explicitly enshrined the rights of minority groups in their legislature on a fundamental level and saw the share of Uyghur population in Xinijiang supersede that of the Han population reversing their decline under the forementioned KMT wouldn't abruptly start committing ethnic prosecution for absolutely no reason, but maybe I'm off my rocker.
my basic thesis is that throwing people in camps because they are “baby-making machines” is never good and the only way anyone could think this is okay is if they believe the chinese government 100%. which is absurd.
I've seen nothing to suggest people are being thrown into camps for being 'baby-making machines?' Decreases in reproductive rates among a population that is introduced to greater wealth, birth-control and education is a trend universally repeated throughout human history.
And no, I don't support prisons, I don't support the state. It is inherently coercive and will do inherently coercive things. We want it's eventual abolition for a reason. But the reason this debate exists at all is the implication that China's measures are uniquely heinous, which I've seen no evidence for whatsoever.
"mea culpa" is not good enough, you need to have five different gaps in your knowledge of the world to make that mistake and it shows that you absolutely should not be commenting in this thread at all, let alone with an opinion.
you need to shut the fuck up and read more.
East Turkestan is not a historical term for the region used by its inhabitants until the 1900s where two "East Turkestan Republics" popped up for a few years and did ethnic and religious cleansings, its an islamic separatist term and a fucking yikes look.
It’s part of China and has been for a while?
So is racism, sexism, transphobia, etc and the US, how is this a defense?
Stay in your lane
The lane where we dont oppress ethnic/religious minorities and conquer their land? Sure, thanks. Stay in yours fucker, far away from any left movement.
Cuz they said some lib shit to justify it, I guess. Why are leftists so fucking blind on this topic
honestly, it's because the leftist internet is full of white kids who have no idea what it's like non-western authoritarian country. they have zero experience with the world at large and so they just default to "anything that is anti-west is good". they have no immunity to the Asian brand of hierarchical authoritarianism and it quickly fills the vacuum left by abandoning lib shit.
they have no immunity to the Asian brand of hierarchical authoritarianism and it quickly fills the vacuum left by abandoning lib shit.
Orientalism, in MY leftist community?
Ahh fuck it, joke's on me for expecting better.
orientalism is when you live in asia your whole life and say something about how it works
I'm sure being the beneficiary of white imperialism gives you great credentials to talk down to us ignorant yellow folk.
four days ago you posted "To the neolibs, identity politics is just another arrow in an amoral quiver."
It's not idpol to point out that the experience of a white person in Asia is not the same as that of an Asian person in Asia. Nor is it idpol to point out that white people in Asia benefit from white supremacy.
Living in a place for a long time doesn't make you immune from having shit takes, otherwise white people who live in Australia can't possibly have shit takes about Aboriginal peoples, white people in the US can't have shit takes about black people or native Americans, etc, etc.
I grew up here, my wife is from here, I speak the language and 99% of the people I interact with are locals
like what the fuck do you want from me
Maybe arguing the merits of your claims instead of stating your experience like this is a bullshit job interview?
Many MAGA chuds also grew up in the US, have spouses from the US, speak English and interact with "locals" 99% of the time. That doesn't stop them from having shitty, racist, takes.
You can be who you are and still engage in orientalism.
I don't think it's racist to say that authoritarian rulers in Asia have different psychological tactics than authoritarian rulers in the West
A big part of orientalism is rolling diverse Asian cultures into a whole to contrast (negatively) with the West.
Asia is home to many diverse political systems that have been labeled as "authoritarian". However, you're implying a nebulous set of common authoritarian tactics and values that are both inherently Asian and have no other commonality except being Asian.
The governments of India, the DPRK, China, Japan, and even Singapore have been labeled "authoritarian" by various groups at various times. If you want to draw similarities between the tactics they use, you have to be much more granular in your analysis than just going "well, they're Asian, they do things differently."
I think he just said he was one of those yellow folk. So... pretty sure he'd know something about being one of those
No.
https://hexbear.net/post/70180/comment/733891
Also, you don't get to call anyone "those yellow folk".
they killed all the communists several decades ago so there are no leftwing orgs. If there were would be expelled from the country for joining one.
this is what I mean. you people just don't understand what it's like outside the imperial core.
That dude is weird as fuck. Inquisitor of the Asians. Is your skull shape Asian enough, comrade???
I think this is literallty it, its just blowing my mind that they stan for evil so readily, and deny reality about the camps much like trumper morons have been about Q and the Deep State and the like. And in this case they're literally SUPPORTING lib shit with this bs "we're empowering women by sterilizing them in concentration camps" monstrosity of a tweet
the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this website was some user stanning the murderous, authoritarian Thai king because some nutjob article linked a protester to an NED grant
I think it's just hard to accept that people in power lie even if they aren't white neoliberals.
Sterilization is not mentioned lmao, the wording is dogshit but they are talking about how when standards of living are raised women can be more than "baby making machines", which is on one hand a really yikesy term to use but one that mainstream media like the BBC has used for places like Iran anyways.
Actually I should clarify, sterilization is only mentioned in the article to say that forced sterilization had no part of it and that its personal decisions to use contraceptives or surgery to deal with this just like in any country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Educate urself sweaty
Testimonies are not evidence, otherwise you're basically repeating the Iraq war buildup, your second link is not only entirely testimonies again but repeat the recycled falun gong claim of organ harvesting which has never had evidence supporting it, it also links to Radio Free Asia like come the fuck on.
This is all on the fucking level of the Naziriyah testimony and testimonies like that, they can never just fucking coalesce into objective fact and as of yet there are not objective facts to back up the outlandish fucking claims that mirror perfectly the US strategy for agitating the population and manufacturing consent.
Pretty awesome stock photo. Leader of the group up front, posse trailing behind, two girls giggling and watching in the middle-ground. Just need a rival gang of children to roll up and you've got West Side Story.
I sure do have the same opinion about this as I would if it came from any other government
that's probably the sinophobia talking though
