• DornerBros [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I know this is a bad faith troll but I'm going to make a quick response and explain why this is very shoddy propaganda, hopefully for someone else's benefit.

    Take this article that OP linked: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

    The government ordered one Chinese-born Kazakh woman to get an IUD inserted after her third child, the AP said. She was later told to pay a $2,685 fine for having more than two children.

    That's the law for every Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity. The only thing that's changed is that the one child policy used to only apply to Han couples, now a less stringent version also applies to all Chinese citizens. If you have a third child you either get an IUD or pay a fine, that's the law. You're free to argue whether that's a good or humane policy but it's not some attempt to "purge the Muslim minority".

    It also makes this claim about forced sterilizations:

    Additionally, the AP said, citing several former detainees, that "women are subjected to forced IUDs and what appear to be pregnancy prevention shots."

    "Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods," the AP reported. "After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile."

    This is ludicrously fake. As of 2021 there are no known methods of permanently sterilizing women through pharmacology or injections, the science simply does not exist. There are birth control shots, but the only widely used method of permanent sterilization is tube tying, a surgical procedure. The closest thing is a long course of HRT, which would have far more effects than dizziness or fatigue. It would also be easily detectable and none of these articles have even speculated as to how the sterilizations are performed, probably because it's completely fucking fake.

    People should discuss and share information on these issues but they should do so carefully and intelligently rather than posting extremely lazy propaganda they found in MSM or at the bottom of wikipedia pages.

    • TheOldRazzleDazzle [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      “Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods,” the AP reported.

      Take my opinion on this with a massive grain of salt because I don't have periods, but aren't they just describing side effects from depo provera? Which are more or less the same as just having your period to begin with?

      • DornerBros [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yup, depo provera is a possibility, it's at least plausible as opposed to a drug that doesn't exist.

        It is weird though that none of these women got any blood tests from their doctors, which would've immediately confirmed high levels of MPA in their blood. Of course this would've immediately killed the story because depo provera is a well known contraceptive that wears off after a few months and cannot be used to permanently sterilize someone

        • TheOldRazzleDazzle [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Like it's one thing if you want to work through the ethical problem of forcing women with multiple kids to be medicated for the sake of the greater social good (given that it's highly gendered and disproportionately punitive to the poor), but you tip your hand when you equate birth control to sterilization and genocide the way these fundamentalists do.

          Plus the ominous tone is honestly almost comical. Why not just go the whole way and say, after being drugged, several of the women were even purported to crave unhealthy foods and be excessively irritatable, as if the unknown serum had certain mind-altering properties.

          If you scroll down in the article I think you can even find an artist rendering of one of the victims: Victim of Communism