white people be like "why yes i am an expert about this country that i've never been to, nor speak the language of, why do you ask?" https://twitter.com/SocksxMC/status/1347645834884767744

  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Cuba not a democracy my ass

    The new constitution, which also omits the aim of building a communist society and instead works towards the construction of socialism, was presented to the National Assembly of People's Power by secretary of the Council of State Homero Acosta for approval on 21 July 2018 before being slated to a national referendum. The National Assembly then approved the new Constitution on 22 July 2018, a day ahead of schedule. It was announced that a popular consultation which allows citizen input for potential amendments to the text of the proposed Constitution would start on 13 August and conclude on 15 November.

    It was announced that 135,000 meetings would be held during the popular consultation. Each of these would be run by 7,600 two-person teams who would receive specialized training. Cuban exiles were invited to take part in the meetings. Following consideration of amendments, a referendum was held to pass the Constitution on February 24, 2019, succeeding with 86.85% of the popular vote. The popular consultation began as scheduled on 13 August 2018, in tandem with the 92nd birthday of the late Cuban President Fidel Castro. The popular consultation concluded as scheduled on 15 November 2018. On 1 December 2018, Granma Newspaper reported that the Cuban Parliament would be summoned to vote on proposed amendments to the new Constitution on 21 December.

    The new Constitution was debated at the 8th Plenum of the Communist Party of Cuba’s Central Committee which took place between 12 and 13 December 2018. At the meeting, the amended draft of the proposed constitution was drawn up by a group commissioned by the National Assembly of People's Power. However, details of what was amended would not be made public until it was approved by the National Assembly. On 18 December 2018, it was revealed that one of the changes to the new constitution which would have paved the way for same sex marriage was dropped. On 20 December 2018, another change to the new Cuban Constitution was dropped and its language once again reinserts direction to building a communist society. On 21 December 2018, the Cuba National Assembly approved the amended Constitution, thus completing the final step for a referendum. On 24 February 2019, the new constitution was approved by 90.15% of voters, with a turnout of 84%. On 7 March, it was announced that the National Assembly would meet 10 April 2019 to determine the timeframe of when the new constitution would go into effect. On 28 March, it was announced the Council of State had held a meeting on 25 March and decided that the Constitution would be proclaimed by the National Assembly on April 10. Upon being proclaimed, the Constitution would be adopted.

    The Constitution was proclaimed as scheduled on 10 April 2019. After being proclaimed, the Constitution was published in the Official Gazette of the Republic, ensuring its entry into force. It was also announced that new laws enforcing the Constitutional reform of the judicial system must be enacted within 18 months. This includes, among other things, the enactment of presumption of innocence in criminal cases and introduction of habeas corpus. An electoral law which would enforce the change in the structure of government in Cuba also must be enacted within six months. Within the following three months, the National Assembly would elect a president of the country, who must then appoint provincial governors and a prime minister, a new post separating the role of head of state from the role of head of government.

    Also China has the largest legislature of any government with nearly one third of seats held by parties other than the CPC. Hard to see how that isn't democratic.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      it was revealed that one of the changes to the new constitution which would have paved the way for same sex marriage was dropped.

      Damn :(

      • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        While it is a shame it wasn't explicitly included, the constitution does specifically state that discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal and shortly after the constitution was finalized the government announced that they were developing language for the family code that would make same sex marriage legal which should be official by the end of this year, so this particular line is somewhat misleading.

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          That's awesome, I kinda figured out wasn't removed for bigotry reasons. Seems like they just wanted some more time to work out the specifics of that or maybe not tie marriage to the constitution? Either way, good to know that they're still moving forward on solidifying that.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            4 years ago

            I kinda figured out wasn’t removed for bigotry reasons

            Almost undoubtedly, some committee members objected to the language based on that "Traditional Family" Catholic crap. But, like a good and functional bureaucracy, they found a way to compromise in such a manner that egos were massaged without sacrificing civil liberties.

            Democrats sometimes almost kinda-sorta flirt with doing this shit. I remember the Clintons making noise about Civil Unions in the 90s, which would have been a big step up for gay couples, especially in states that straight up criminalized their relationships - but then Bill ended up signing DOMA and DADT rather than a Civil Unions marriage bill because they all suck.

            I only wish we had Cuban-style democracy.

    • KantNeverCould [any]
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      4 years ago

      The dictatorship in China has close to 2 million directly elected legislators, at the township and county level. "Townships" have tens of thousands of people, and "Counties" in China have hundreds of thousands of people, for reference.

      All of them run in competitive elections where there's always more candidates than open seats, and candidates are selected through a collaoborative effort between the government and local citizens.

      • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Absolutely. The Chinese government structure and elections are fascinating and to accuse them of being undemocratic is purely a demonstration of ignorance.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I knew a guy in college who was from china, asserted that it was not democratic,but insisted that was a good thing, since it helped keep people like Trump out of office. Is this a common position, or was he a weirdo?

        • KantNeverCould [any]
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          4 years ago

          Think about what sort of class background and incentives exist in the mind of the type of person who can go to an expensive school abroad. It's like judging all Americans based on spoiled libs overseas or frat bros who worship Roman statues.

        • KantNeverCould [any]
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          4 years ago

          It's "not democratic" in the sense that they don't have a massive circus every 4 years with a minor one every 2 so that the hooting hoards can "pick" a leader. It's far more democratic in the sense of "popular participation" in the government.

          Authoritarianism is relative. America has always been a brutal, genocidal police state if you are black or Native, and it's never exactly been nice to immigrants from any race outside of the native white core, which has shifted over time. But hey, our Good Liberals have been fighting like hell to make sure that we all get to participate in the circus!