I get that Twitter is trash and tech companies (and just companies in general) have way too much power and we should probably nationalize them or whatever, but this site going really hard into being upset over a bunch of fash getting banned from stuff is really scary to me because those same people have been spreading all the hate and misinformation that gets people like me (Trans) and other minorities fucking murdered and bullied and doxxed. The same people we've been banned over and over again for defending ourselves from. I feel like if I could only use my logic brain, I would agree with all of you, but I've seen too many communities only give a fuck until it hurts cishet white dudes and I'm afraid this site is going in that direction.
technicalities get blown out of proportion. it is dumb that we rely on private corporations to enforce norms. it is dumb that we can't create a state-run social media platform that we control. it is dumb to pretend that social media is just a frivolous product and not the main home of public discourse.
however it is also dumb to ignore context, and dumb to fight context-ignorers (reactionaries, in this case) with "don't talk about anything except how trump being banned is good." yes it is extremely good, but... technicalities.
the banning was good. the reason it happened (so fucking late. should have been years ago!) is because of tech companies.
if something horrible works out in your favor, that doesn't mean you don't have a problem. it just means a chunk of the collapsing building fell on someone pointing a gun at you. taking it as a warning to GTFO is still important.
It’s not dumb! I totally agree with you, and I think hate speech / speech inciting violence has good reasons to be stopped.
I think more than anything it’s a symptom of the capitalist hellscape that this censoring of the literal president came from a private company, not democrats or republicans. A lot of people are saying “womp it’s just Twitter who cares” but it was his most used comms method, and he’s effectively shut up since.
So I generally do support the ban, but I don’t support the libertarian/fash techlords that did it.
Yeah you're totally right. I think everyone arguing against you is making good points, but at the core of the issue it is SCARY that a private company with zero accountability can censor an elected leader.
Yes he's a bad president, but this sets a bad precedent.
I get that Twitter is trash and tech companies (and just companies in general) have way too much power and we should probably nationalize them or whatever, but this site going really hard into being upset over a bunch of fash getting banned from stuff is really scary to me because those same people have been spreading all the hate and misinformation that gets people like me (Trans) and other minorities fucking murdered and bullied and doxxed. The same people we've been banned over and over again for defending ourselves from. I feel like if I could only use my logic brain, I would agree with all of you, but I've seen too many communities only give a fuck until it hurts cishet white dudes and I'm afraid this site is going in that direction.
Sorry if this is dumb.
What I've seen is:
Where people are leery over this, I'm seeing that squarely directed at corporate power over social media, not at sympathy for chuds.
First they came for the Chuds, and I laughed, because a guy tazzed himself in the balls...
technicalities get blown out of proportion. it is dumb that we rely on private corporations to enforce norms. it is dumb that we can't create a state-run social media platform that we control. it is dumb to pretend that social media is just a frivolous product and not the main home of public discourse.
however it is also dumb to ignore context, and dumb to fight context-ignorers (reactionaries, in this case) with "don't talk about anything except how trump being banned is good." yes it is extremely good, but... technicalities.
state run? federated, nonprofit NGO, etc.
the banning was good. the reason it happened (so fucking late. should have been years ago!) is because of tech companies.
if something horrible works out in your favor, that doesn't mean you don't have a problem. it just means a chunk of the collapsing building fell on someone pointing a gun at you. taking it as a warning to GTFO is still important.
This actually made me "get" the reaction here a little better, thanks!
Perfectly said.
It’s not dumb! I totally agree with you, and I think hate speech / speech inciting violence has good reasons to be stopped.
I think more than anything it’s a symptom of the capitalist hellscape that this censoring of the literal president came from a private company, not democrats or republicans. A lot of people are saying “womp it’s just Twitter who cares” but it was his most used comms method, and he’s effectively shut up since.
So I generally do support the ban, but I don’t support the libertarian/fash techlords that did it.
Yeah you're totally right. I think everyone arguing against you is making good points, but at the core of the issue it is SCARY that a private company with zero accountability can censor an elected leader.
Yes he's a bad president, but this sets a bad precedent.
if twitter were a chinese company censoring Xi their CEO would be fucking executed which is 100% unironically a good thing