Aaaaand this user was banned for this, for saying what their perception was, and expressing doubt while acknowledging that there are different perceptions that exist simultaneously on the same site.
I must be missing something too, because from some angles it looks like someone's just using their powers to ban everyone that is "unable to see things" the way they see them.
Don't get me wrong, I love and support my trans comrades, both on this site and IRL (can't give too much detail without doxing myself). I think it's very important to have a trans-positive space. I have not seen many of the comments of brigaders from cumtown and reactionary trolls and whatever else, but I take others' word that this is happening. I believe that TC69 has been doing a lot of diligent work to rid the site of people that don't add to it. But the above comment being bannable makes it look a lot like she is just banning everyone who doesn't agree with her.
I'm not going to claim this authoritatively because I haven't seen the full story, but it looks like there is a possibility that in addition to the true positives, there are a lot of false positives; it looks like there is a sort of anti-transphobia witch-hunt going on, or that at least there's a case of "to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail". It is plausible to me that with bans we are seeing both true positives and false positives; they're not mutually exclusive. I could be wrong and have a cloud of illusions warping my perception, but if that's the case I'd like someone to meet me with an explanation.
What makes a community is that we can commit and rectify errors; we can mess up, fess up, and make up; as a result many people who know each other continue through time with collective and individual relations amongst them. Banning people for something that even hints of wrongthink is antithetical to building a community; I feel like if this keeps up we're going to end up with just the mods and like 6 other (perfectly non-problematic) users.
I think I'm going to make a post in !feedback about alternative methods, what we could do to make transphobia or reactionary behavior more visible to users and less of a sole burden on mods and admins. Because the character of the userbase is indeed everyone's business here.
I must be missing something too, because from some angles it looks like someone’s just using their powers to ban everyone that is “unable to see things” the way they see them.
Banning people for something that even hints of wrongthink is antithetical to building a community
Yeah. WTF are you on, mods?
I want to be on the same page with you guys. I want to hear what the trans experience here is like (especially because it seems night and day compared to mine). And I get there's trolling/brigading that requires counteraction.
But you're banning users who joined when the site was first founded for asking for a bit off context? Not everyone knows/sees the same shit as you.
Check yourself. This is awful for the large inclusive place we all want to have.
You guys are being shit at communication - and then attacking people for asking to be communicated with.
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices. I don't necessarily think that's what Fractal_Monster meant, but he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying "This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet"
he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying “This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet”
He literally said "I have seen", which has the same meaning. Either way, not prefacing your statement with "IMHO" shouldn't lead to a ban. And other users were banned in this thread for essentially "showing undue deference to a mod". I know mods have to deal with shit, Atheismo bless them, but it's like they develop a cop mentality.
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices.
Sure, but what does that mean in practical terms? For example, I can't tell who is trans and who is not - there are no ID badges and I'm not going to creep anyone's post history before replying. Someone says they're trans and posts a 10 page rant - how do I know that's representative of what other trans people are experiencing? How do I know this post isn't a troll/a joke/someone having a bad day? How do I know this isn't being upvoted by bots to create infighting?
This isn't real life. You can't see anyone's face. Maybe I saw their username before, maybe that was someone else. Trust is earned, not given.
It doesn't help that OP (and another similar post by u/cofabulously (sp?)) are only speaking for themselves. Are other mods/admins on board? (A resignation makes it seem like there's trouble among the admins/mods.) Do they have an official message for everyone? Does a trans sub have a joint statement they can endorse? Something that's prepared, polished, and CONCISE?
From the out-of-the-loop perspective, everything's going fine, then someone yells "THIS PLACE SUCKS, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT" and when you ask what happened they chew you out for not knowing and then when you question them again they ban you.
I believe them that there're apparently targeted attacks on trans people behind the scenes (though I still haven't seen anyone define the problem any more precisely than "transphobia")... but you have to tell people what's going on if you want them to know about it.
Does it just not hit main? This is the most trans-positive space I have seen on the internet. I must be missing something.
Aaaaand this user was banned for this, for saying what their perception was, and expressing doubt while acknowledging that there are different perceptions that exist simultaneously on the same site.
I must be missing something too, because from some angles it looks like someone's just using their powers to ban everyone that is "unable to see things" the way they see them.
Don't get me wrong, I love and support my trans comrades, both on this site and IRL (can't give too much detail without doxing myself). I think it's very important to have a trans-positive space. I have not seen many of the comments of brigaders from cumtown and reactionary trolls and whatever else, but I take others' word that this is happening. I believe that TC69 has been doing a lot of diligent work to rid the site of people that don't add to it. But the above comment being bannable makes it look a lot like she is just banning everyone who doesn't agree with her.
I'm not going to claim this authoritatively because I haven't seen the full story, but it looks like there is a possibility that in addition to the true positives, there are a lot of false positives; it looks like there is a sort of anti-transphobia witch-hunt going on, or that at least there's a case of "to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail". It is plausible to me that with bans we are seeing both true positives and false positives; they're not mutually exclusive. I could be wrong and have a cloud of illusions warping my perception, but if that's the case I'd like someone to meet me with an explanation.
What makes a community is that we can commit and rectify errors; we can mess up, fess up, and make up; as a result many people who know each other continue through time with collective and individual relations amongst them. Banning people for something that even hints of wrongthink is antithetical to building a community; I feel like if this keeps up we're going to end up with just the mods and like 6 other (perfectly non-problematic) users.
I think I'm going to make a post in !feedback about alternative methods, what we could do to make transphobia or reactionary behavior more visible to users and less of a sole burden on mods and admins. Because the character of the userbase is indeed everyone's business here.
Yeah. WTF are you on, mods?
I want to be on the same page with you guys. I want to hear what the trans experience here is like (especially because it seems night and day compared to mine). And I get there's trolling/brigading that requires counteraction.
But you're banning users who joined when the site was first founded for asking for a bit off context? Not everyone knows/sees the same shit as you.
Check yourself. This is awful for the large inclusive place we all want to have.
You guys are being shit at communication - and then attacking people for asking to be communicated with.
It's good to minimize being confrontational, but meh
You can ask to be communicated with without downplaying or talking over trans voices. I don't necessarily think that's what Fractal_Monster meant, but he could have changed the tone of his message considerably by saying "This appears to me the most trans-positive space on the internet"
He literally said "I have seen", which has the same meaning. Either way, not prefacing your statement with "IMHO" shouldn't lead to a ban. And other users were banned in this thread for essentially "showing undue deference to a mod". I know mods have to deal with shit, Atheismo bless them, but it's like they develop a cop mentality.
Sure, but what does that mean in practical terms? For example, I can't tell who is trans and who is not - there are no ID badges and I'm not going to creep anyone's post history before replying. Someone says they're trans and posts a 10 page rant - how do I know that's representative of what other trans people are experiencing? How do I know this post isn't a troll/a joke/someone having a bad day? How do I know this isn't being upvoted by bots to create infighting?
This isn't real life. You can't see anyone's face. Maybe I saw their username before, maybe that was someone else. Trust is earned, not given.
It doesn't help that OP (and another similar post by u/cofabulously (sp?)) are only speaking for themselves. Are other mods/admins on board? (A resignation makes it seem like there's trouble among the admins/mods.) Do they have an official message for everyone? Does a trans sub have a joint statement they can endorse? Something that's prepared, polished, and CONCISE?
From the out-of-the-loop perspective, everything's going fine, then someone yells "THIS PLACE SUCKS, I'M SICK OF YOUR SHIT" and when you ask what happened they chew you out for not knowing and then when you question them again they ban you.
I believe them that there're apparently targeted attacks on trans people behind the scenes (though I still haven't seen anyone define the problem any more precisely than "transphobia")... but you have to tell people what's going on if you want them to know about it.
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