Does any of this really fuckin' matter at the end of the day?
Odds are, if we're being brutally honest here, none of us on the left, regardless of our faction, are gonna hold any significant power in our lifetimes anyway.
odds are we won't. odds were lenin and castro and all those fuckers wouldn't.
but the hour is late, and there's very little time left to fix shit, so we'd fucking better. capitalism isn't gonna do it.
Does any of this really fuckin’ matter at the end of the day?
Yes.
Socdems for instance, have utility in certain situations but ultimately cannot be relied upon, allied with or really be considered apart of 'the left' in a meaningful way. This isn't puritanism, you just fundamentally cannot abolish capitalism with people who.. don't want to actually abolish capitalism. This is why Socdems are pretty infamous for betraying genuine revolutionary movements and aligning with incumbent forces of capital.
Odds are, if we’re being brutally honest here, none of us on the left, regardless of our faction, are gonna hold any significant power in our lifetimes anyway.
Defeatism is a irrational position to take. Do you truly believe that when the fields desertify and the oceans consume the coasts -- well within our lifetimes, unfortunately -- that the ensuing destabilization won't pave the way for an ascendant leftist movement? Fascism isn't truly a popular movement, only an ideology that adopts it's superficial trappings and masquerades as one, which is why virtually every Fascist regime in history only came to power by allying or grafting themselves onto existing state institutions with the assistance of the bourgeoisie, foreign or domestic. And while there certainly will be some nations that decide to redistribute the dwindling spoils, ultimately in most parts of the planet, when the people no longer have anything to eat they will eat the rich. Falling rate of profit also ensues the increasingly auto-cannibalism and collapse of neoliberal hegemony.
The real question is not whether there will be a revolution, but when. Before climate catastrophe or only after?
Intersectionality matters. Very simply put you can't solve any of our problems, be it gender, sex, class or race related isolated from each other. The idea that it doesn't matter just lends itself to exclude leftists from leftist politics. We all have our own causes and reasons to be politically concious.
There's no such thing as infighting with socdems because they're not and will never be part of the socialist/anti-capitalist tradition
Fuck all class collaborationists
You don't need to be in a position of significant power to make a difference. Go out and do volunteer work to improve material conditions. Even just volunteering at a food pantry twice a month is better than doing nothing at all. Helping feed and clothe those who are suffering is a revolutionary act.
We're just a subculture at this point, but it doesn't have to be that way. We have to actually engage with our community and organize there if we ever wish to unite and be a force capable of changing our environment.
Can we? I hope. There is a place for this place though, we just have to find it.
just a subculture
of the labor aristocrat imperialist class
our community and organize there
unite and be a force capable of changing our environment.
maybe you should try declaring solidarity with the proletariat
Well I suppose it depends. Plenty of different tendencies disagree on not just what socialism should look like, but also on the most effective way to bring about revolution to begin with. So if, as you say, revolution is going to be very difficult to bring about, maybe a 1 in a million shot, then arguing about which 1 path will work and which 999,999,999 will fail is actually kind of an important debate lol.
But try not to be doomer, comrade! The dialectic is in motion, things are becoming possible that seemed extremely far off even a few years ago. Weeks/decades decades/weeks and all that.
I would consider myself closer ideologically to intersectional lib than a class reductionist communist, so yes it does matter.
class reduction "communist"
it's no true scotsman shit but nazbols & stupidpols are indistinguishable from cryptofash
Yeah we Can take it to the extreme with those fucks, but there’s also quite a bit of middle where leftists are quite ignorant of the struggles of marginalized people.
closer ideologically to intersectional lib
I...worked on this critique of DSA "leftists" for a year...and...chapochat just...he tweeted it out.
intersectional lib
There's no such thing as intersectionality in liberalism, because that would involve recognizing the existence of power and liberalism is about obscuring the power of social relations
class reductionist communist
I reject calling those people communist or even marxtist, they strip the theory and analysis of all its social/historical grounding and replace it with abstract economism, that shit ain't marxism, fuckin dumbass Keynesians have a better grasp of social relations than those posers
Disputing my inevitable rise to General Secretary of the Union of Humanity is bourgois revisionism.
No, it doesn't actually matter. It's much like the old saw about "fights in academia being so furious because the stakes are so low". If a user here unleashes the most powerful dunk on socdems/tankies/anarchists ever recorded, it has the exact same impact on the real world as a fart into the wind.
I've posted before in a controversial opinions thread that no one who is currently in an org will have any significant impact if there's a revolution. We silo ourselves way more than we want to admit.
Having said all that, we still have to try.
No because we are all just a thought construct of what a conscious being existing within the universe would do if put into the shell of a human existing within whatever time period has been constructed and acting upon what we consider “reality.”
Also, it’s that quote from that guy “if I knew the world would burn tomorrow, I would still plant the seed of an apple tree today” or whatever.
I’m not a communist because I think or want my life to be better, I want the life of everyone else to be.
Fighting with class reductionists (or any other kind of reductionist, for that matter) is not “infighting.”
But yeah, most of what happens On Here is just pissing in the wind.
