On Thursday, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said the United States should reflect on why it adopted different positions on the two events. She said the storming of the Hong Kong legislature was more “severe” than the events in Washington, but there were no fatalities among the protesters.
“In ... 2019, radical demonstrators [in Hong Kong] violently stormed the city’s Legislative Council building, wantonly damaged facilities, used toxic powders and liquids to attack and beat the police, and even [allegedly] bit a police officer’s finger off,” Hua said. “Facing a situation like this, Hong Kong police had kept a high degree of restraint and no demonstrators died.
“Now the US mainstream media had unanimously criticised violent Trump fans in [Washington], saying it’s a violent event and those protesters are mobs, extremists ... But what description did they use on the Hong Kong protest? ‘Beautiful sight’.” Hua was referring to US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s comments about mass demonstrations in June 2019 in Hong Kong as a “beautiful sight to behold”.
Too bad Americans can do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to get to CHINA BAD.
they are. they just aren't AS bad. a bad guy doesn't make others good.
ohshit. well, okay i guess. can't argue with that kind of proof.
I did, judges are a bullshit idea. but everyone should judge.
also, decades of oppression and various horrors and capitalist ecological atrocities. not as bad as the american empire, but still kinda crap.
can't talk shit about cuba tho. why not hold them up? they're a green powerhouse of humanitarian aid, and despite some typical latin american queerphobia (that's rapidly improving), they're an unquestionable benefit to the world. why not endorse the actual communists? instead of the evil empire's rival slightly-less-evil empire? by that logic, why didn't you campaign for biden?
they kinda have to say that. nobody else will trade with them.
also: why give fucks about leaders?
even if you discount the massive laundromat that is 'green'; cuba is a lot more self sufficient and puts out less shit than other places.
yeah but that's mostly using them to be their spite "hahafuckyou" between two monstrous rivals. was in that position as a kid when my parents divorced. got tons of shit, but never under the illusion either side gave a fuck about me.
Good thing your experience with divorced parents gives better insight into socialism than Fidel Castro’s struggle to implement such in the face of capitalist encirclement. He may have thought China was the greatest hope for socialism and the third world, but you know better because your parents divorced.
also, when the cuban revolution was fresh, china was still communist. ineptly so, but... kinda.
Fidel said this about China recently https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telesurenglish.net/amp/opinion/China-Is-Most-Promising-Hope-for-Third-World-Fidel-20171128-0017.html
then he was senile or LYING FOR THE GOOD OF HIS PEOPLE, or in that space old people sometimes get to where they say something true they believe, and shit changes and it's obviously not true but they can't let go of it. or he was just a lucky idiot whose people got woke fast and made their little island kick ass in spite of his idiocy.
one or more of those.
oh. well if we're arguing at that level, I guess I need to defer to your superior intellect. I can no longer engage. unless you're willing to prove conclusively, with scientific certainty, that none of these scenarios could possibly have been true.
Sorry, I’m taking the word of third world socialists at face value and not assuming that they are lying unless proven beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise. What an incredible amount of western chauvinism.
certainly you're not talking about the people of mainland china; they'd be shot in minutes when they proposed taking ownership of the means of production back from the billionaires.
unless you’re willing to prove conclusively, with scientific certainty, that...
Your turn! Can you back up that claim?
nope. this is my way of saying "fuck off, im disengaging unless you're willing to put in some effort to support your fanboy faschwank bullshit" respect that and don't clog my inbox.
willing to prove conclusively with scientific certainty
Lol western chauvinism AND Reddit level debate bro shit. Nice
I can no longer engage. unless you’re willing to prove conclusively, with scientific certainty, that none of these scenarios could possibly have been true.
Asking someone to scientifically prove a negative when the positive has no evidence for it is a spicy take.
it was hyperbole and a mirror of some shit you people were asking. a way of saying "theres absolutely no way I want to continue this discussion". please fuck off. I do not want to see this thread in my replies again.
im using my personal experience to explain why I think the cubans are fucking lying for a lifeline and why I wouldn't hold it against them, especially considering their crap geopolitical hand.
could you try engaging in good faith?
Engage in good faith with “my parents divorced so I know a thing or two about this geopolitical situation”? Why? It’s obviously not a good faith argument.
They would have no reason to “fucking lie” about something like that, the Chinese government will trade with literally anybody. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
the chinese are shameless capitalists, and the cubans have a long history or being fucked and isolated. nobody would blame them for erring on the side of caution, and trading some lip service for not being completely fucking gouged on every trade.
Western leftists are such a joke, in two comments you went from “why not hold up Cuba” to “Fidel is a lucky idiot” because he held up China as the best hope for socialism. You are 100% clueless, and there wasn’t even enough time for you to read the article and see what Fidel said before responding. Absurd.
no. no I said at first he was a liar-which is not criticism. I presented three alternative scenarios, suggesting that he was a real human being with real human flaws, an old dude who maybe wasn't all there at the end (IDK, but it would explain the statement), OR that he was an idiot and cuba's success was in spite of him, not because of him.
I did not say he was an idiot. I said it was one possible explanation, if you absolutely rule out him being able to tell a lie, which was where my money was. which would have made him a pretty shitty geurilla but whatever.
stop responding. I would like to disengage, because I don't believe you're engaging in good faith.
yeah but capitalist oligarchs putting solar panels on things doesn't get me off.
there's one nearby I'd like to get off in? but the park itself isn't something that would get me off, it's mostly because I want to get past the barbed wire with someone cute.
Cuba wouldn't have made it this far without China. We need China in order for countries like Cuba to flourish, and what's more, they're the only nominally socialist state with the power to stand against the western hegemony. They may not be the ideal communist nation, but they need our critical support right now.
hey I've asked to disengage multiple places on this thread. you might be replying upthread of those, I don't even give enough shits about arguing with you to check, and I can act like im assuming good faith, but it's really hard to do honestly at this point where tankies are involved.
I would like to not hear anything aobut this thread in my inbox ever ever ever again. thank you.
debatable. and ive got things to say on this and the discussion might be worth happening elsewhere, but ive asked to disengage on this thread multiple times because I can't with the uncritical tankies.
also, decades of oppression and various horrors and capitalist ecological atrocities
Oh you mean CIA propaganda?
you're right, the CIA existing means china never stopped being communist and everything's okay and the rivers are fine and you can just drink out of them and the air is totally impossible to chew and there are no lakes of black industrial sludge that will give you cancer if you get close enough to look at them and everything's FINE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEHCRnWUQ_4 Organci Cuba Documentry ... since you mentioned it.
Check out the channel , its the german / french co-owned puplic Television , they have a english section as I discovered , very good stuff on there.
why not endorse the actual communists? instead of the evil empire’s rival slightly-less-evil empire? by that logic, why didn’t you campaign for biden?
Well let's see what Fidel has to say about whether China is actually socialist:
"If you want to talk about socialism, let us not forget what socialism achieved in China. At one time it was the land of hunger, poverty, disasters. Today there is none of that. Today China can feed, dress, educate, and care for the health of 1.2 billion people.
"I think China is a socialist country, and Vietnam is a socialist nation as well. And they insist that they have introduced all the necessary reforms in order to motivate national development and to continue seeking the objectives of socialism.
"There are no fully pure regimes or systems. In Cuba, for instance, we have many forms of private property. We have hundreds of thousands of farm owners. In some cases they own up to 110 acres. In Europe they would be considered large landholders. Practically all Cubans own their own home and, what is more, we welcome foreign investment.
"But that does not mean that Cuba has stopped being socialist."
But hey, what does Castro know about socialism? Not more than you, surely.
decades of oppression
various horrors
with all due respect you're not going to be taken very seriously if you allude to vague bad things that could literally mean anything. if you're not specific with your criticisms then we're just going to assume ur some lib concern trolling over foxconn suicide nets or something.
I mean, those too. you're not communist if (even semi)private companies own the means of production. full fucking stop. the rest is just the standard horrors of capitalism. I'd link, but I asked to disengage downthread because you people are irrational thugs and I can't believe in left unity or that you (collective, IDK you personally yet) are engaging in anything but bad faith.
I'm glad someone is pointing this out.
The US praises (and sponsors) riots of this sort all over the world, extolling them as yearnings for democracy and freedom. But the minute one happens in the US - it's a fascist-terrorist coup attempt.
Elected socdems (Cori Bush, AOC, etc.) are probably correct to take advantage of the moment by calling for a crackdown on the far right. Good riddance. But they should also remember not to hypocritically sign on to US imperialist propaganda that supports the same events when they happen abroad. (There are good and bad uprisings, of course, but the Empire's stances on them are nothing but cynical.)
tbf it was a fascist-terrorist coup attempt. Libs just fail to recognize it when it happens outside the US.
"Freedomistan" is pretty orientalizing. I know its a dig on Americans who think everything in -stan nations is bad but you're reproducing that notion to make the point.
