https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1349026958596780035

  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Sunni/Shia is one of those faux-in depth analyses that news heads use to sound more informed.

    A) Majority one nations still have the other, often large populations of--like Iraq for example. B) Fuckers like Al-Qaeda don't automatically get support of all Sunni because they're Sunni too, goddamn. That's literally like saying half of Europe has to support Mormons cause they're all technically protestant.

    This essentially runs interference for the political explanations for conflict which necessarily indicts the US & West at every fucking turn by pretending its some intractable religious divide they didn't cause. Yeah, Iran totally hates the Saudis for being Sunni, not being a giant US military base

    edit: and sunni and shia are enormous fucking categories with tons of branches. it's lazy as fuck to bisect the world like this

    • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Though the Wahabist Saudis are explicitly anti-shia. They even despise preserving cultural heritage because they see it as praying to false gods(haze what they did to mekka fuck the saudis). They are the most hardcore of the hardcore sunnis.

      Contrast that to hanafism which is badically the opposite and pracriced in every turkish-sunii group(from xinjiang to istanbul), which is basically like "just saying you believe in god is enough for us.".

      Iran, just to complete it, follows the 12er Shia. The believe in the 11 dead Imams and the one who is "escaped" and will return at the promised day. Not to be confused with the ismaelites who i don't actually know how relevant they are today.

      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        what they did to mekka

        you mean the destruction of historic sites or the fucking clock tower?

        nevertheless absolutely fuck them lmao

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    And if Iran DO was sunni that's like blaming It*ly for all those far right groups in latin america. Oh hold on, the catholic church has always greenlighted those groups. Well anyways that's not what Iran is doing.

    • lilpissbaby [any]
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      4 years ago

      this is relevant. the Catholic church played a key role in Brazil's 1964 coup d'etat, there was even the involvement of an American priest which was a fucking CIA agent :agony:
      that said the church is a bit of a mixed bag today.

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        that said the church is a bit of a mixed bag today

        Uuuh, not the high charges.

        • lilpissbaby [any]
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          4 years ago

          that might be true, I don't really follow the inner politics of the Catholic Church. all I know is that there are some pretty high profile (in terms of visibility, not hierarchical position) people in the Church that are progressives who believe in liberation theology and others who are fascist-lite.

          • MerryChristmas [any]
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            4 years ago

            The Pope seems to be making a pretty big effort to rehabilitate liberation theology in the eyes of the church. What exactly that means remains to be seen, but the ire that he's drawn from the tradcaths is cool either way.

            • KamalaHarrisPOTUS [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              tradcaths get mad about it down here in montaña liberal but immediately get dunked on by even the normie reactionary catholics for going against the pope, theres some absolutely massive groups on fb full of insane catholic infighting its truly great stuff

    • congressbaseballfan [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      This is debatable and depends on the country (and frankly what order clergy belonged to). I wouldn’t paint Latam Catholicism with too broad a brush. Some of the most important leftists and anti fascists of the 80s were catholic nuns and priests

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah true, but they weren't archbishops nor cardinals, or were they?

  • science_pope [any]
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    4 years ago

    I disagree. They were pretty fucking lazy back then, too.

    • heqt1c [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I mean at least they had props and deeply embedded media correspondents?

      • science_pope [any]
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        4 years ago

        The props were obvious bullshit to anyone paying attention at the time, and the media correspondents knew where their paycheck was coming from, just like they do today.

  • redthebaron [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    they were as lazy on this but most americans had zero information on muslim people so they could never question the information

  • CoralMarks [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Oh, that is why I saw Shia trending, not because of the actor.

      • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Fighting for oil reserves with Ayatollah LaBeouf

        Dismantle nuclear programs of Ayatollah LaBeouf

        Bomb him at his airport; Safe at last from Ayatollah LaBeouf

        You limp from the mountains

        Blood oozing from your barracks

        But you have won; you have beaten Ayatollah LaBeouf

        Wait!

        He isnt dead (Ayatollah Astonish)

        Theres a gun at your Fed and death in his eyes

        But you can do Drone Jitsu

        Bomb Islamic Leader Ayatollah LaBeouf

        Ledendary fight with Ayatollah LaBeouf

        Normal Tuesday night for Ayatollah LaBeouf

  • LangdonAlger [any]
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    4 years ago

    I would like to watch Mike Pompeo be the captive in a dunk tank and every Afghan and Iraqi gets a throw

    • gammison [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Salafism is a reform (as in reform back to old traditions, so it's really fundamentalist) branch of Sunnism which started in late 19th century Egypt as basically a very conservative reaction to European imperialism and Ottoman reforms. Salafism in this form has roots in the 18th century Wahhabi movement which started in Najd in present day Saudi Arabia. It advocates a return to a (imo mythical) pure form of islam that they purport to have been practieced by the salaf, the first three generations of Muslims. Now it's confusing though, because various movements have been called salafist over the centuries, but the modern salafism I think everyone refers to is the one that is rooted in the Wahhabi movement. Al-Qaeda is a jihadist movement/organization within salafism.

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    In other words, we have to nuke the Congo because they're white supremacists.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Genuinely concerned Trump will try and start a war with Iran on his way out.

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    why would they need to bother coming up with better lies when the shitty half baked ones do the job just fine?