a completely unsourced rant, from the same people that peddled the 'Iraq has WMD's' bullshit.
Some names have been changed.
Was Adrien Zenz one of them?
a completely unsourced rant, from the same people that peddled the 'Iraq has WMD's' bullshit.
Some names have been changed.
Was Adrien Zenz one of them?
The story sounds pretty legit, and reeducation camps are a pretty bad look, of course libs and warhawk will circulate them. The best propaganda is when its true and stories like this dont come out often. This of course doesnt mean that the western media narrative on what is going on is true or correct, but a harrowing individual experience of what is actually there is more effective than a made up story about millions upon millions of detained people.
The one thing that bugs me about the story is the premise to it. So you sought asylim in a foreign country, and have been away for 10 years, yet still somehow remain an employee of a company there. And despite having no intentions going back you still care about your retirement there. And instead of having them send you the documents by mail, you decide to take a several weeks long trip, into a country you ran away from, that you know is repressing your people,'. Just to sign some documents? I mean people do dumb things all the time, but this does sound very sus.
So, while the account of the camp sounds legit enough, the resons she gives for getting there not so much.
Re education camps are a better way to deal with Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than you know, going to war and killing millions of people.
There are more than two options
None of em are gonna be pretty unfortunately.
Yeah I mostly agree, but I don't think that leaves any of them above criticism. A "necessary evil" is still evil.
Of course we need to contextualize our criticisms properly, and also be conscious of the company in which we level such criticisms lest we serve as aids to imperial interest.
I genuinely can't think of a better way than 're-education', as long as the conditions are good and it's done respectfully. Which from what I have seen and heard is how China is going about it, the things described in this article are obviously bad but then there's no proof that they actually happened and it's not beyond the realms of possibility or precedent that they would be invented to further western anti-china narratives.
To be clear, you can’t think of a better solution to the prospect of extremism than to inter every single person with a beard or a Muslim family member into forced labor camps? Because that’s what they are doing and the official criteria China claims to use is purposefully vague to the point of being useless.
source for the beard thing?
also pretty sure the forced labour thing is a zenz creation
this is worth a read, a breakdown of when BBC visited these centres (but from an opposing point of view to BBCs bias) - https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab
also this is a pretty good watch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oKvulTU8oU&feature=youtu.be - a socially awkard man on holiday in xinjiang, observe the uighurs in their natural habitat, dancing in nightclubs and going out for ice cream and shit, better standard of life than i've got here in the uk that's for sure.
https://cpiml.net/liberation/2020/08/chinas-concentration-camps-for-uyghurs-in-chinas-own-words
I’d encourage you to read the link in its entirety. It’s China’s own words.
definitely food for thought, though i'm not sure i fully agree with some of their conclusions, would need to read the white paper for myself and i'm meant to be working right now...
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Didn’t think I needed to mention it was in English, but yes, great call out. Read the parts that discuss documents and statements release directly from China.
Jesus fucking Christ
That is not, in fact, what they are doing.
Yes, it, in fact, is
No it isn’t.
Please tell us what solution to Islamic terrorism and separatism you've found that is effective and not distasteful.
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These aren't "camps" they're entire neighborhoods with better amenities then places I've paid to rent in America
yeah that's right, they're nazi ghettos
Sure do love parroting baseless state department lies
Yeah, but almost everyone here could write a "pretty legit" sounding account of, say, a DPRK prison camp by reading a few articles that have already been published and embellishing the details. All this without even having set foot in Korea.
it happened to me, kim made me eat dog poo and said my hairstyle was bad
In the case you can also find the daughters profile, and she talks about her mom, so when I mean pretty legit, I mean, this woman has most likely been in a reeducation camp and most likely experienced these things
That just means she was detained in some way. Doesn't prove that anything in the article actually happened, including the throw away line on sterilization.
Providing birth control and education to minorities is a crime against humanity, what they should doing is encouraging them to have children in poverty so they can grow up damaged by their material conditions and locked away in private prisons to be used as a cheap source of labor
It's not even that about birth control.
The author of the article claims she got an injection while in prison. For all we know, it could have just been a flu jab.
Even if there is a shot you can give a woman to render them permanently infertile (in which case why do women still have to get surgery to get their tubes tied?), and even if the author is now medically infertile as a result, it should be extremely trivial for her to produce a medical certificate or find a physician who can go on record to prove it.
But that would go against the propaganda tactic of simply begging the question.
Oh yeah I forgot about her. I thought they were talking about that new headline about Uighur women not being "baby making machines" anymore
lol I just commented saying pretty much the same thing. The weird exaggerations and inconsistencies are so annoying cuz I honestly think if they just reported everything straight it'd be fucked up enough on it's own, but the crazy provably false shit and exaggerations in some of the reports just make it so hard to know what's going on that everyone ends up with a different view of what's happening and it's impossible to discuss on the same level.
I mean it worked on Khashoggi