I've started to notice the trend that the chapos are consistently wrong on matters of national importance. They did that cop-sympathizing bit in the middle of the BLM protests and they were making extreme light of the situation of 1/6 (yeah they are mostly comedians that's their job, w.e) and downplayed the situation.
My favorite was them doing an episode about how it's childish to say All Cops Are Bastards in the middle of global unrest over police murdering black people, but when cops killed a fascist during 1/6 suddenly they're on board the mantra
My favorite was them doing an episode about how it’s childish to say All Cops Are Bastards in the middle of global unrest over police murdering black people, but when cops killed a fascist during 1/6 suddenly they’re on board the mantra
I literally stopped listening to them for about 4 months. That's how upset I was. And nothing of value was lost.
They literally went to the protests, or at least Matt did. The point that communities with disproportionate police presence still want to have a police force is accurate, but doesn't play well online.
Ah yes the monolithic hivemind of "communities of color" . Who in those communities? The preachers and "organizers" who without fail direct angry people towards voting for two faced shitlib politicians and holding hands with pigs. It seems like "listen to x group" always means listen to the most conservative voice in that group to justify not having to do anything.
Will and Amber said that calling all cops "White supremacists" was a strategic mistake because racial minorities also become cops and suffer more from violent crime.
In the same discussion they acknowledged that the police as an institution exists to defend capital. Their criticism wasn't aimed at BLM, but rather at libs endorsing more radical slogans as a way of not doing any practical changes.
But blind haters turned it into "THEY'RE PRO-COP".
Not to split hairs, but I feel like the point at least Matt has been making is that the idea that the protestors themselves were any threat to power or were domestic terrorists is laughable. But the idea of cops working with them and basically holding the protestors' hands through this whole thing... yeah that's a troubling sign of things to come.
I dunno but you should immediately assume the cops were in on it. We've had a good picture of cops as not just Qanon idiots, but actively white supremacist since their fucking inception. So the idea that the cops and part, or most of the military wasn't in on it, is laughable. Yeah maybe Matt is right that this wasn't an "Operation Gladio" situation, because there's a lot more disorder within the united states intelligence apparatus.
He says that they were not a threat because capital doesn't feel at risk with Joe Biden, but in reality Capital and their cult are illogical and violent. My wife's job has received a cut in house-start ups just because Biden won. Like there's is fundamentally no difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, but markets are acting like there is.
I think it was rogue actors who were in on online Q spaces and the discussions. The bosses heading the cops would have known this is basically a career-ender for all of them and I highly doubt they're that invested a sacrificing everything for a plan that would never work
I have always enjoyed their comedy sensibilities, but I don't really listen unless anymore unless they have a guest on that I want to hear. Their politics are extremely boneheaded. Matt's the best, but even he's only like 60% right even then.
What anyone here thinks of the podcast is irrelevant -- I'm talking about what they did and didn't say, and about whether we should be charitable to fellow leftists or whether we should assume the worst when they offer up a hot take.
What they said:
If you look at polls of POC opinions on police, at least a significant amount want some sort of police in their communities
Maybe that's because real violence and real crimes do occur, and people closer to that are more hesitant to scrap the police entirely
Maybe that's because you don't need to be an expensive education to be a cop, so being a cop is a path to a decent life for some POC
It was "here's a poll that conflicts with police abolition, and here are some ideas to explain that contradiction." Reading that as "cop-sympathizing" is not how we should be treating people who are even kind of on our side, because that's how you start a bunch of leftist infighting that gets nothing done.
Is anyone suggesting they were literally saying "the police are actually rad if you think about it" or are we upset at bullshit concern trolling? Literally any major advocate for abolishing police could tear through these supposedly good faith concerns in a minute, but instead of inviting an advocate on to have a productive conversation they brought on a liberal writer to bitch about how online mobs are so sensitive that they can't do real journalism anymore.
lol nothing about that is concern trolling -- it's "here's a poll, here are plausible explanations for it"
any major advocate for abolishing police could tear through these supposedly good faith concerns in a minute
What are they going to say? "No, being a cop is not actually a job that pays well and that you can get without an expensive degree?" There are barely even takes here: it's observations about the situation that complicate it a bit beyond "well we should just have no cops," a position that most people don't support.
I've started to notice the trend that the chapos are consistently wrong on matters of national importance. They did that cop-sympathizing bit in the middle of the BLM protests and they were making extreme light of the situation of 1/6 (yeah they are mostly comedians that's their job, w.e) and downplayed the situation.
My favorite was them doing an episode about how it's childish to say All Cops Are Bastards in the middle of global unrest over police murdering black people, but when cops killed a fascist during 1/6 suddenly they're on board the mantra
I literally stopped listening to them for about 4 months. That's how upset I was. And nothing of value was lost.
They literally went to the protests, or at least Matt did. The point that communities with disproportionate police presence still want to have a police force is accurate, but doesn't play well online.
It's also a completely banal point that they raise for no other reason than it "doesn't play well online"
No other reason to give voice to what those communities want, nope, must be the online stuff
Chapo Trap House: Voice of the Marginilized
All the more reason that they should be cognizant of what those communities actually want.
Ah yes the monolithic hivemind of "communities of color" . Who in those communities? The preachers and "organizers" who without fail direct angry people towards voting for two faced shitlib politicians and holding hands with pigs. It seems like "listen to x group" always means listen to the most conservative voice in that group to justify not having to do anything.
Very valid point, yes.
Will got trapped on the Brooklyn bridge, and I'm pretty sure they helped bail people out. Of course, that episode sucked ass.
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They didn't, don't believe the BS.
Will and Amber said that calling all cops "White supremacists" was a strategic mistake because racial minorities also become cops and suffer more from violent crime.
In the same discussion they acknowledged that the police as an institution exists to defend capital. Their criticism wasn't aimed at BLM, but rather at libs endorsing more radical slogans as a way of not doing any practical changes.
But blind haters turned it into "THEY'RE PRO-COP".
Amber.
Not to split hairs, but I feel like the point at least Matt has been making is that the idea that the protestors themselves were any threat to power or were domestic terrorists is laughable. But the idea of cops working with them and basically holding the protestors' hands through this whole thing... yeah that's a troubling sign of things to come.
I dunno but you should immediately assume the cops were in on it. We've had a good picture of cops as not just Qanon idiots, but actively white supremacist since their fucking inception. So the idea that the cops and part, or most of the military wasn't in on it, is laughable. Yeah maybe Matt is right that this wasn't an "Operation Gladio" situation, because there's a lot more disorder within the united states intelligence apparatus.
He says that they were not a threat because capital doesn't feel at risk with Joe Biden, but in reality Capital and their cult are illogical and violent. My wife's job has received a cut in house-start ups just because Biden won. Like there's is fundamentally no difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, but markets are acting like there is.
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I think it was rogue actors who were in on online Q spaces and the discussions. The bosses heading the cops would have known this is basically a career-ender for all of them and I highly doubt they're that invested a sacrificing everything for a plan that would never work
I have always enjoyed their comedy sensibilities, but I don't really listen unless anymore unless they have a guest on that I want to hear. Their politics are extremely boneheaded. Matt's the best, but even he's only like 60% right even then.
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the chapos are racist
more and more people are saying it folks
Almost as if them earning over 170K USD a month on patreon has led to them having takes that are completely out of touch. Crazy how money do that
It should be noted that Will and Amber were specifically the ones with the cop thing. The other 3 shouldn't get dragged with them.
Amber.
This is a poor characterization of that episode, and we shouldn't apply the worst possible filter to what fellow leftists say.
C'mon, not even the most die hard fans were excusing the shit they were saying.
What anyone here thinks of the podcast is irrelevant -- I'm talking about what they did and didn't say, and about whether we should be charitable to fellow leftists or whether we should assume the worst when they offer up a hot take.
What they said:
It was "here's a poll that conflicts with police abolition, and here are some ideas to explain that contradiction." Reading that as "cop-sympathizing" is not how we should be treating people who are even kind of on our side, because that's how you start a bunch of leftist infighting that gets nothing done.
Is anyone suggesting they were literally saying "the police are actually rad if you think about it" or are we upset at bullshit concern trolling? Literally any major advocate for abolishing police could tear through these supposedly good faith concerns in a minute, but instead of inviting an advocate on to have a productive conversation they brought on a liberal writer to bitch about how online mobs are so sensitive that they can't do real journalism anymore.
lol nothing about that is concern trolling -- it's "here's a poll, here are plausible explanations for it"
What are they going to say? "No, being a cop is not actually a job that pays well and that you can get without an expensive degree?" There are barely even takes here: it's observations about the situation that complicate it a bit beyond "well we should just have no cops," a position that most people don't support.