I've started to notice the trend that the chapos are consistently wrong on matters of national importance. They did that cop-sympathizing bit in the middle of the BLM protests and they were making extreme light of the situation of 1/6 (yeah they are mostly comedians that's their job, w.e) and downplayed the situation.
My favorite was them doing an episode about how it's childish to say All Cops Are Bastards in the middle of global unrest over police murdering black people, but when cops killed a fascist during 1/6 suddenly they're on board the mantra
My favorite was them doing an episode about how it’s childish to say All Cops Are Bastards in the middle of global unrest over police murdering black people, but when cops killed a fascist during 1/6 suddenly they’re on board the mantra
I literally stopped listening to them for about 4 months. That's how upset I was. And nothing of value was lost.
They literally went to the protests, or at least Matt did. The point that communities with disproportionate police presence still want to have a police force is accurate, but doesn't play well online.
It's also a completely banal point that they raise for no other reason than it "doesn't play well online"
No other reason to give voice to what those communities want, nope, must be the online stuff
All the more reason that they should be cognizant of what those communities actually want.
Will got trapped on the Brooklyn bridge, and I'm pretty sure they helped bail people out. Of course, that episode sucked ass.
did they really fucking do that?
They didn't, don't believe the BS.
Will and Amber said that calling all cops "White supremacists" was a strategic mistake because racial minorities also become cops and suffer more from violent crime.
In the same discussion they acknowledged that the police as an institution exists to defend capital. Their criticism wasn't aimed at BLM, but rather at libs endorsing more radical slogans as a way of not doing any practical changes.
But blind haters turned it into "THEY'RE PRO-COP".
Not to split hairs, but I feel like the point at least Matt has been making is that the idea that the protestors themselves were any threat to power or were domestic terrorists is laughable. But the idea of cops working with them and basically holding the protestors' hands through this whole thing... yeah that's a troubling sign of things to come.
I dunno but you should immediately assume the cops were in on it. We've had a good picture of cops as not just Qanon idiots, but actively white supremacist since their fucking inception. So the idea that the cops and part, or most of the military wasn't in on it, is laughable. Yeah maybe Matt is right that this wasn't an "Operation Gladio" situation, because there's a lot more disorder within the united states intelligence apparatus.
He says that they were not a threat because capital doesn't feel at risk with Joe Biden, but in reality Capital and their cult are illogical and violent. My wife's job has received a cut in house-start ups just because Biden won. Like there's is fundamentally no difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, but markets are acting like there is.
I think it was rogue actors who were in on online Q spaces and the discussions. The bosses heading the cops would have known this is basically a career-ender for all of them and I highly doubt they're that invested a sacrificing everything for a plan that would never work
I have always enjoyed their comedy sensibilities, but I don't really listen unless anymore unless they have a guest on that I want to hear. Their politics are extremely boneheaded. Matt's the best, but even he's only like 60% right even then.
Almost as if them earning over 170K USD a month on patreon has led to them having takes that are completely out of touch. Crazy how money do that
It should be noted that Will and Amber were specifically the ones with the cop thing. The other 3 shouldn't get dragged with them.
cop-sympathizing bit in the middle of the BLM protests
This is a poor characterization of that episode, and we shouldn't apply the worst possible filter to what fellow leftists say.
C'mon, not even the most die hard fans were excusing the shit they were saying.
What anyone here thinks of the podcast is irrelevant -- I'm talking about what they did and didn't say, and about whether we should be charitable to fellow leftists or whether we should assume the worst when they offer up a hot take.
What they said:
- If you look at polls of POC opinions on police, at least a significant amount want some sort of police in their communities
- Maybe that's because real violence and real crimes do occur, and people closer to that are more hesitant to scrap the police entirely
- Maybe that's because you don't need to be an expensive education to be a cop, so being a cop is a path to a decent life for some POC
It was "here's a poll that conflicts with police abolition, and here are some ideas to explain that contradiction." Reading that as "cop-sympathizing" is not how we should be treating people who are even kind of on our side, because that's how you start a bunch of leftist infighting that gets nothing done.
Is anyone suggesting they were literally saying "the police are actually rad if you think about it" or are we upset at bullshit concern trolling? Literally any major advocate for abolishing police could tear through these supposedly good faith concerns in a minute, but instead of inviting an advocate on to have a productive conversation they brought on a liberal writer to bitch about how online mobs are so sensitive that they can't do real journalism anymore.
lol nothing about that is concern trolling -- it's "here's a poll, here are plausible explanations for it"
any major advocate for abolishing police could tear through these supposedly good faith concerns in a minute
What are they going to say? "No, being a cop is not actually a job that pays well and that you can get without an expensive degree?" There are barely even takes here: it's observations about the situation that complicate it a bit beyond "well we should just have no cops," a position that most people don't support.
not to worry, friend... some rich brooklyn podcasters told me this was nothing to worry about
their response is more like "what is you worrying about it going to change?"
ah yes that moment when fellow black solidarity and collective community trauma doesnt exist/ isnt triggered by the existential fact that black people will always be at the mercy of crazy white supremacists, evoking empathy even for a high ranking govt official...similar to when we see a fellow black person murdered by a cop for being black/ being screamed at a karen for being black, but what is worrying about it going to change
but alas i am a white podcaster man who doesnt have to think about collective community trauma because my community will never be targeted by all so i get to prescribe the advice of what is you worrying about it going to change, not having to think about the ways in which my identity causes that line of thinking because alas the white straight male rich identity is everyone identity right
that seems like a pretty dismissive comment to a black poster talking about racism in the wake of white supremacists storming the capitol but yall be easy. its funny because comments like this is why i choose not to elaborate on what i viewed as an obvious connection between my comment, the hosts' response to what happened at the capitol and the things happening in the capitol, because even if i explained it, it would most likely be dismissed, possibly not taken in good faith, and used as fodder for dudebro debatism about my identity.
edit: this isnt a judgement on MrsCum specifically, its just how ive recognized this site to work sometimes
anyway, very happy to see that the many posts analyzing microagressions against marginalized groups in this community was not for nothing. have a nice day!
that seems like a pretty dismissive comment to a black poster talking about racism in the wake of white supremacists storming the capitol but yall be easy. its funny because comments like this is why i choose not to elaborate on what i viewed as an obvious connection between my comment, the hosts’ response to what happened at the capitol and the things happening in the capitol, because even if i explained it, it would most likely be dismissed, possibly not taken in good faith, and used as fodder for dudebro debatism about my identity.
anyway, very happy to see that the many posts analyzing microagressions against marginalized groups in this community was not for nothing. have a nice day!
If what they have to say has no importance to anything, they should shut down their patreon
I mean I think Matt has pretty explicitly said that no, no part of their analysis has any basis in reality, its only purpose is entertainment. People routinely pay for entertainment though.
But yet we have tons of people on here that think Matt's analysis is the peak of left wing thought in the US
ngl i thought matt was a lot smarter until a few months of his vlog
And a lot of people who used to think that and now that they see it isn't true they externalize their mistake and say shit like "shut down the patreon."
Lol, just don't give them your money if you don't want to
I'm not externalizing my mistake, if he admittedly doesn't think anyone should be invested in what he has to say, I think it's shitty to charge people to hear him talk.
My original take was that this was mostly spectacle, though you should definitely be worried about where this is heading. The early shit about police collaboration was extremely worrying, but the more that comes out about this, the more sus shit there is.
Comparing it to the Beer Hall Putsch is the best one I've heard. Hitler was LARPing as Mussolini's march on Rome. It was more heavily armed and better coordinated than the people storming the capitol, actually seizing buildings and getting politicians on board. But that wasn't the impact. They ran in the national election five years after the putsch and three years after the ban on their presence was lifted. They got 2.6% of the vote. As far as actual gains go it was a hopeless attempt that got 16 Nazis killed.
Those dead became martyrs, the first and most central martyrs for the party. It seems like the air force spook who was shot is getting a mixed reception as they try to disown the event while it's being actively persecuted, but she's a white veteran who died wrapped in a Trump flag as she was the first to try to get into the same room as Trump's enemies. That's a martyr candidate when the media loses interest in the event. The anniversary of those martyrs' death, 9/11 because reality is a big stupid floppy circle, became one of the most important holidays and one of the focal points for mass rallies and spontaneous violence. It was supercharged spectacle which showed that devotion to the party meant blood sacrifice and eventually it resulted in Kristallnacht.
Ayana Pressley just released a statement saying that the panic buttons inside her office were removed. Come next year this will be the date people gather outside and the level of infiltration inside is scarier than what the Putsch had. I'd expect the same kind of mass psychosis to happen at some point if the same kind of propagandisation and radical ownership of the coup attempt plays out. Maybe the FBI can/is willing to go after all the levels of power they're in but eh.
the police collaboration is absolutely the most disconcerting (but not surprising) thing. and if this escalates i would expect we'll most likely see similar collaboration with the military at least on the ground/in smaller groups.
The military are much weirder. The leadership for the most part doesn't really seem to give a shit about Trump. Also, while there are definitely some extremely reactionary elements within the military and its purpose is to do imperialism etc. I think your average soldier is going to be way less reactionary than your average cop. Not a scientific measure to look at, but during the primary season, Bernie Sanders was the candidate who got the most donations from Active Duty soldiers.
I also think to some extent, the weirdo conspiratorial elements of the Q Anon right makes it less compatible with being in the military. Are you really going to believe in FEMA death camps if you'd be the one guarding them?
Yeah they're certainly more complex and thats why I mentioned at least on the closer to individual level.
I went to one of those small town high schools that are pretty much soldier factories and many of the men from my hs ended up in the military and a lot of them developed in to far right/qanon type people. Some of the active people I've met were pretty hardcore in the "we're fighting for trump and country" kind of mindset too. They kind of think democrats hate the troops because they have to be the opposite of the GOP which takes soldier worship to the nth degree.
I see where you're coming from with the death camp thing but the unfortunate thing about Q followers is the whole thing can be very a la carte. There are a million competing ideas under the banner, it is very far from being monolithic. the thing that holds it together is that the believers have a tendency to be able to hold ideologically inconsistent ideas without suffering a lot of cognitive dissonance. One of the ways they guard against that is saying "thats a deepstate actor spreading bs to make us look bad! so since I know that fema death camps aren't a thing they most be a fake q follower" or something to that effect.
Generally I think you're probably right but I think with how much they pander to the military it's worth a bit of concern that it could develop into something similar to the cop collaboration in the coming years.
Im more worried about the congressional response than the actual attack. Even if they succeeded, they wouldn't just seize power. There would be actual fucking war as Trump and Lib forces try to seize power. Like me, an online person hundreds of miles away from the area, have nothing to fear directly from the event, but from the response to it.
I'm not worried about them now, but I worry about where they are in the future, especially as this new info comes out.
Idr where I heard this but the capitol is in a big empty space so that parisian style barricade fighting couldn't ever happen in DC
Urban planning in Madrid (iirc) under Franco was directed in a way that prevented large groups of people from gathering in public spaces. Buildings were constructed close, making the streets narrow. Wide open plazas were a rarity.
The Haussmann reconstruction of Paris (under Napoleon III) cleared wide boulevards through the city. This ended the string of revolutions that kept taking down French governments using barricades across narrow medieval streets. It's why the Paris Commune was dead once the army entered the city.
"We're not gonna actually coup you, Biden. But do remember that we could. Our beaks feel miiiiiiiighty dry right now."
AOC describing the events (relevant bits in the first 10 minutes) is similarly chilling.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ-OkgNAO1N/
It's so telling that she didn't want to shelter with republican members of congress because she doesn't trust them to not betray her location and get her killed. We've elected some real pieces of shit.
Also, I believe another member of the squad tested covid positive after being forced to shelter with republicans
edit: it was jayapal and at least two other dems https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/3-members-congress-tested-positive-171859571.html
It's can't really be proven that the sheltering is the cause, but there's video of repubs refusing masks etc.
I wondered why we had not heard from AOC on Twitter until very late that evening—it was very unlike her. I cannot say I was surprised to essentially hear her say she was targeted by the chuds. "Uhhhh, make no mistake," I'm not in favor of a new patriot act. There's no denying there was collusion between various levels of government, law enforcement, and the chuds and there were a group of organized chuds among the larger mob... And that should be fucking concerning, even if you're a wealthy white Brooklyn podcaster.
(Yeah, I know I'm a big lib for liking AOC, suck my balls.)
She can get dragged by us only. This is really worrying. As for taking down these chuds, it can be done without a new patriot act. AOC herself on twitter even said so.
Jesus fucking Christ. Imagine if they had properly organized this? Or had a proper leader? Yall are kinda fucked down there huh.
America is Rorschach as long as we have the military that we do, everyone is stuck in here with us.
True. Daddy Xi please free the world from Americas grasp.
Wonder if security cameras are there/ if they were curiously ripped out to
I know everyone here is getting conspiracy-brained about this, but I'm still not convinced to the extent of planning/coordination being implied here.
Why not do this to, say, Ilhan Omar, arguably the most hated person in Congress by chuds, even more than AOC? You could argue they didn't do it to AOC because she's too high-profile, but I don't see why they'd pass up the opportunity to maybe get Omar killed.
I think running this through Occam's Razor means we end up with something like: either it's a coincidence with maintenance, or the chuds yanked as many panic buttons from Squad members as they could, but they're incompetent and that meant they could only get 2.
Do we know they didnt sabotage Ilhan or AOC's panic room buttons? AOC mentioned she isn't going into specifics about some of the danger she faced for security reasons
The story is that Presley had panic buttons specially installed due to threats against her specifically. No info on whether anyone else had such buttons or had them ripped out.
