Ya love to see it folks

  • mangrai [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    this youtuber heard "neoliberal" and assumed that since they are liberal and also live in neo-times they must neoliberal. they did not even take the time to read the wikipedia definition of "neoliberal"

    this is what the "dunning-kruger effect" actually is. it doesn't mean stupid people think they're smart, it means that ignorant people vastly underestimate the amount of knowledge and practice it takes to actually be knowledgeable or well-practiced. they are perpetually making shit up and winging it and they assume everyone else is too.

    also lol at this comment

    i think we have a different conception of what neoliberalism means... what that econonic system, first tested in my country, has done to all of south america is terrible, we basically struggle to have basic human rights in order to benefit industries...

    • elgonzalors [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I'm very happy that here in Chile no one thinks that neoliberalism is a left wing ideology, people rightfully call it «the Pinochet economy» and is associated with the authoritarian far right as it deserves. People that define themselves as neoliberals in the global north are a bunch of dumbasses that want to be colonized in their own land just like the global south is.

    • funkfresh [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      The thing is it works and its true more often then not, everyone is just bullshitting. Especially on the internet.

      • mangrai [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        no, everyone is not bullshitting. there is a subset of the population who actually knows what they are doing and is capable of getting things done. that is why you have internet and running water and chapo.chat.

        • funkfresh [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Yes and engineers and coders bullshit about things they don't know about too. Its epistemologically impossible to not be full of shit

          • d_cagno [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Engineers and coders are notorious for bullshitting about things they don't know well.

              • ComradeMikey [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                exactly lol to treat psychoanalysis seriously is a joke. its a fun hobby maybe but its not at all the focus of modern psychology. its completely just some jerk offs thinking cool shit with little empirical support

                i say this as someone who likes it for fun, but i wouldn’t dare bring it up in one of my psych courses

                like the sheer fact the deluezian people are like nah ima make up my own shit should show how loosy goosy the study is

                • elguwopismo [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Tbh bud, this just sounds like you're taking modern psychology's anti-psychoanalytic sentiment at face value. I remember my professors making similarly flippant remarks all the time. It's a sentiment certainly tied to American Positivism and Cognitive Psychologists' desperately hoping to differentiate themselves as 'properly scientific'. Thank god they did that. I guess that's why academic psychology has no problems with replicability nowadays huh?

                  Psychoanalysis and psychology should not be treated as a choice of one or the other. Psychology's unwillingness to engage with its theoretical counterpart should be an indictment of psychology (which is why I've abandoned it as an academic path). Modern Psychology, to my mind, has been largely a failure outside of marketing and algorithms. Of course there's a need to engage with empirical evidence and the scientific method, of course! But that doesn't mean a goddamn thing if there's no understanding of its ontological or epistemological implications for us as subjects, no understanding of how to realize new relations and habits as a result.

                  For instance, nobody has learned about Chomsky's Universal Grammar and done anything radically new with language as a result. It always remains an antinomy of Being, a fetishized structure of language as such, not in its active, immanent dynamism, but as an eternally stale opposition to enunciation. Universal Grammar is a synthetic a priori which has spurned much development in cognitive psychology, this is fantastic. However through it, the ontological and epistemological implications it carries, we can also see it as a symptom of the Kantian Dualism which both drives and stains all of modern psychology. Yet it is also an abstraction we must work through to grasp its real dynamism, to develop something paradigmatically new and potentially liberatory in how we approach language as subjects

          • mangrai [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            I respectfully disagree that it is "epistemologically impossible to not be full of shit"

            somebody, somewhere always ends up doing real work.

            • Mardoniush [she/her]
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              4 years ago

              Yes, but I assure you that that work involves a suprising amount of incompetent flailing about by said skilled people.

              • mangrai [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                that's inevitable when you're trying to do/make/say something new. very different from "bullshitting"

                • Mardoniush [she/her]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yes, the bullshitting comes when you realise upper management must never, ever know about said flailing.

            • funkfresh [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              being knowledgeable and well practiced at a certain task or on a certain subject doesn't mean you're knowledgeable about other things, and I think its fair to assume that most people discuss things they have less than perfect knowledge of. I mean, were on a shitposting communism site, how much of Capital have you read? How organized is your local militia?

              • mangrai [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                I agree that "most people discuss things they have less than perfect knowledge of" but what you originally threw out was "everyone is just bullshitting." sometimes people aren't bullshitting and they are actually competent and well-intentioned.

                amazing I know

                • funkfresh [they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  Well I meant just in general and I did say I was especially talking about online personalities. But now that you mention it even the most skilled and well intentioned engineer would in fact be bullshitting if they claimed to have a priori knowledge of a sewer before it is built because the creative force put into the sewer contributes to its total being

        • existentialspicerack [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          sure, but most of neoliberal society is bullshit and bullshit status games, and most people don't actually know anything and just do bullshit jobs based on bullshit jobs to forward bullshit industries all day to justify oppression. most days the average american or australian or englishman won't interact with any of that subset of people.

          grandpa was a grifter, I got some pretty damn clear lessons in this very young. most people just go through the motions. they're made so obedient with so little explanation that, even when they want to, they can't adapt to fuck-all, and when cut off from the chain of command, just freeze up in tight stupid loops until they can get back to their own shit. it's a terrible state of affairs and the people who perpetuate it are monstrous, and yes its maintenance DOES require the occasional competent person, but even there the competence is kept as narrow as possible so as to not shake the boat. the myth of the specialist is some shit. those people with broad competences inspire awe in the average fucker. I'm just on the border of it, and I scare people when I interact with family members and shit.

  • Pezevenk [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Oh shit she doesn't know what neoliberalism is lol this is embarrassing. I feel sorta bad, it's kinda like gleefully telling people you found out you're a nazi because you think it's short for "ashkenazi" and then being confused when people start shitting on you.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Behold, the exact median American urban dwelling uni graduate.

    • NotAnOp [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      I hate that education can turn so many people into that, and that many people are forced to go into massive debt to be neoliberalized educated so you can be thrown into the "possibly not as overworked and underpaid but no promises" work pool. The fucked up thing is way too many of those people fucking love that idea, probably because of that education system saying, "That's actually a great thing!"

      I love learning but always hated school/college. Science teachers were generally cool (yes I'm a STEM grad don't guillotine me please), but so many classes were just dumb, time wasters. Especially the business classes I took. Economics 201/202 was literally some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard until I took Marketing 300. I should have known they were signalling to me just how dumb and wasteful your future jobs will be as well.

      • D61 [any]
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        4 years ago

        Especially the business classes...

        Yup.

        Definitely helped to open my eyes a bit more. Nothing like a whole class (marketing) where the point seemed to be 1) making something up and 2) finding some facts to support the made up thing and 3) convincing somebody with more money than sense to pay for the power point presentation.

          • D61 [any]
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            4 years ago

            They're the same folks that told your boss that its good to act like your friend because it makes it emotionally harder for an employee to say no to a friend.

            So...

  • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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    4 years ago

    the twisting of the definition of neoliberal will never sit well with me.

    like on the one hand as person interested in linguistics I get that words change meaning and you just have to roll with it but on the other hand, fucking liberals never can be fucked to actually learn anything properly and just misuse shit based on how they feel about it goddammit stop

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      4 years ago

      the meanings of words change, and sometimes that change is motivated by a hegemonic obscuring, devaluing, and shutting away of inconvenient knowledge and history.

    • RoseishBlue [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I don't need to do research when I can just try to understand an ideology from memes on twitter! /s

    • CoralMarks [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I stopped when she said neoliberals want a welfare state. That’s just too much brainworms for me, who knows maybe their transmissible with too much exposure.

      • funkfresh [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Oof yeah you missed out on the tour of the "Socialism" Wikipedia page

        • CoralMarks [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I think I would’ve probably died by a cringe overdose by then.

    • Shylo
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      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

    • RoseishBlue [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      skip ahead to the Anti-Capitalism is Anti-Vegan section if you want your brain to explode in broken logic that could easily be used against itself.

      • funkfresh [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        No I did and I lost my mind. Thats me in the comments linking Hakim videos to everyone who seems like they have a pulse

    • PlantsRcoolToo [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Yeah I use to watch some of her videos but haven't for a while. Now I'm wondering if her older vids were actually any good or if I have just gotten smarter 😂

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with economic liberalism and free-market capitalism.[2]:7[3] It is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, globalization, free trade, austerity and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society;[4][12] however, the defining features of neoliberalism in both thought and practice have been the subject of substantial scholarly debate.[13][14] In policymaking, neoliberalism was part of a paradigm shift away from the prevailing Keynesian economic consensus that existed prior to the persistent stagflation of the 1970s.

  • P00h_Beard [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Imagine thinking GDP denotes human wellbeing. I wish my brain could be as smooth as hers. She is what you get if Winston Churchill worked for buzzfeed.

  • snackage [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It's not surprising when you find out she was a Raw Food person and co-wrote a book about it and that she thinks there's no imperative to talk about BLM.

    • PlantsRcoolToo [any]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      In her defense, she WAS a raw food person but has come out strongly against it and has made plenty of videos about why it's wrong. But yeah her takes on BLM and this are totally abhorrent

      • snackage [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Would you truly not hold a former ancap's past behind them? A Reaganite?

        • PlantsRcoolToo [any]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Depends on how they have changed. She has come out strong against her past but doesn't hide from it but uses it to educate. So yeah I don't hold it against her. Her takes on BLM and capitalism are enough to loathe her