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Men abuse women
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Women avoid men and give up in general
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Men:
"Maybe abusing them harder will work?"
I fucking hate misogyny 
Glad you remembered that last bit, would have been exclusionary to have kicked out one south korean woman
Seems like women in a lot of countries are doing this more because men are exhausting. Feel bad for women in countries like South Korea or the US where such a large portion of the population are unhinged right-wingers.
Broke: Korean women are being prudes and avoiding womanly duties!
Woke: Korean women have agency and are avoiding the pitfalls of dating/procreating in a patriarchal capitalist society riddled with abuse
Bespoke: Korean women have taken up the volcel pledge in solidarity with Rojava
Yeah it is pretty weird. Not a fan of that part of the article.
I want to take it as the need (unconscious or otherwise) to keep the Western Eurasian settlers interested by making it relevant to themselves. Maybe a prosocial approach towards fostering solidarity if I am being very charitable.
I didn't get the same reading from it that you did. The original research seemed to be "Why are these women doing sex tourism? ah netflix", then in this article, was used to point out the misogynist reaction that korean men had after being told these sex tourists with womanly characteristics were incredibly disappointed by them.
The combo of the two seems to be approaching this issue from the Korean perspective, and pointing out the fragility of the men because her research stirred up the shit pot(with her in it, so she had a personal connection).
I will admit the CNN article has a thick acceptance of sex tourism, but the linked author did not write that article, it just used her observations.
I don't want to give the Korean feminists too much credit because there's some ugly TERFism in the movement that needs to be stamped out with great prejudice
But this article is not exaggerating about the deeply sexist and patriarchal culture that exists there
never fucking settle
Good advice, I'm gonna keep talking to that trans Maoist I met on Tinder.
Is there any way to know what's going on in the DPRK regarding these issues?
Kim is following through on his plan to eat popcorn and watch as Capitalist Occupied Korea collapses.
There was a book called Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism or something right? Maybe this is what that book was talking about? Idk, a comrade mentioned reading it during a meeting.
Not to be confused with the book "Men Spread Better Asscheeks Under Socialism" by Kristen Goatse.
I dunno. It would be very interesting to compare the two and see if there are differences
I don’t know about the DPRK specifically but most AES states have been firmly committed to equality and made significant strides for women well beyond even their most progressive counterparts. I’d be shocked if the DPRK were any different.
My assumption was that they'd be better, but I didn't want my pro-DPRK bias to color my opinion before I knew any better. I could imagine how being isolated and having to fight through a lot of hardships brought on my American war and sanctions could have created less than ideal social hierarchies.
Hahaha what if shitredditsays but offline?
I love it. These women rock.
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Imo this type of gendered violence is largely facilitated by the capitalism. As more and more wealth and power are extracted from the working class, the burdens on the working class are greater and greater, and things like homeownership and being able to afford having children are increasingly out of reach. The capitalist class responds to this by basically saying "Just have children anyways and be poor about it. Work harder and give me more profit and more coerced laborers." Like, a lot of people who don't have kids would like to, they just want to give their kids a good standard of living. But instead of allowing the common people to have the fruits of their labor, the capitalist class keeps those for themselves. And so the common people are left in this place where for many there's not money and time for relationships, homeownership, kids, etc. Men who don't have a good class and feminist analysis end up blaming this on women, and women who have any other options don't want to put up with these vile abusers. Men with violent incel energy don't stop having that energy once they're married, in a relationship, or sleeping with someone; instead, they'll continue to use their misogyny to blame women for the problems created by the capitalist class.
The labor of women, while downplayed in value under capitalism, is actually very vital to the system continuing. Women are expected to create and raise children, run the household, do a huge amount of logistical and organizational labor, and appease men and basically comfort them and ameliorate the negative affects of capitalism on the men. Women are expected to provide sexual gratification, emotional support, free time, meals, and a clean and pleasant living space, in addition to caring for the needs of children, organizing household affairs, and having a career. That's a lot. Women are one of the dumping grounds for labor under capitalism, expected to do the same work in careers as men plus all the other labor that is trivialized under capitalism, but very important for the propagation of capitalism.
I expect these types of gendered conflicts to continue. I hope people as a whole will figure out that the class element is important too. It would be great if we could have all genders of the proletariat working together in harmony to take back what capital has robbed us of, and establish a culture of consent.
It's also fascinating to see how these women and women elsewhere, are, to some extent, going on strike from gendered labor to men in their personal lives. But unlike a strike, there's not necessarily provisions or conditions for change. They're refusing to participate in the shitty capitalist gender norms to the extent that they can.
Just have children anyways and be poor about it. Work harder and give me more profit and more coerced laborers.
Imo this is 100% why republicans are going to make the next battleground the banning (or at least heavy restriction) of birthcontrol and sex ed in schools
A very good friend of mine is from S. Korea, though she moved out a few years ago. The things she used to tell me about her (now ex) boyfriend back home left me
Korean men, they're not OK, folks. Ok, at least this dude was definitely not okay. Can't say i know about most of them based on a single shitty boyfriend, but this article, and the way my friend talked about it as if it was normal doesn't help things.
I spoke to a member of the SK diaspora in the imperial core. They were surprised I knew about this, as they had never heard of it. I told them I liked to keep up to date about social issues abroad as well as at home.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, I don't read or speak Korean nor do I understand the intricacies of their culture.
It's interesting to go through some of the specific things that people in the 4B movement did. There's some stuff there which is a bit contentious, overwhelmingly though critical support. I recall something about a journalist trying to interview during a protest and the comments by the women protesting were very sharp. As well, the counter protest by the men-focused groups... yeah it's interesting the boldness of what the translated stuff was that some of the men said, can't see some of that being said with some of the same straightforwardness in my part of the world. Not to say things are completely better here, I think this might be one of those cultural differences which my ignorance makes hard to appreciate. Their demands about conscription was one of the obvious ones.
One consequence I think was the debate of changing a Ministry of Women or something like that which was focused on issues women faced to like, a Ministry of Women, and Gender or something like that. It was really both-siding the issue. Like, sure, men abusing and causing all sorts of problems for women (and themselves, with regards to suicide, look up comparisons of OECD countries rates of suicide and then take a look at the difference between genders) is an issue yes and needs to be dealt with. Equating their problems with women not only diminishes the struggle of women, other femme presenting peoples, and perhaps other marginalized groups, but as far as I can tell it makes it so the problems being faced by men never really get addressed. Seriously, every time I think of the issue in my country, I think, guaranteeing women provisions (absolute ability of control over their body, representation, pay, etc.) is like a known way to improve things. It's literally what these folks are asking for.
Other options are possible, like uh, getting rid of men or something, having humans reduce their population through not having kids to an extreme, or my preferred choice of getting men to be more femme in aggregate. I can't think really that the reactionary men have a tenable end goal in mind. It's gotta be complete subjugation of women right, like, I can't think of another logical consequence of the kinds of things espoused or the measures taken or the hatred I have observed expressed towards women.
Does anyone else have an explanation? Did I get some stuff wrong or maybe only mentioned parts of a thing rather than the whole? I'm still learning so I would very much appreciate any comments or criticism.
