at least other depictions have given him some vague resemblance of being middle eastern, but whoever posted this probably scavenged for the most eurocentric portrayal they could find

  • GottaJiBooUrns [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Technically Jesus wasn't actually perfect. He was born with Original Sin (TM) and thus needed to be baptized by his cousin.

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    • THE_FUNNY [none/use name,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      That's literally heretical, it goes against the dogma of immaculate conception.

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      • GottaJiBooUrns [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived without Original Sin, not Jesus.

        Although now that I'm reading further I see that Jesus is also alleged to have been born without Original Sin, as per Augustine of Hippo's doctrine on Original Sin. So either my teachers didn't know their shit or my 20 year old memories from childhood are a little rusty.

        But complaining about wanting downvotes back? That some :LIB: shit, my comrade.

        • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          The whole theological point of the IC is that it's what allowed Jesus to be born without sin. It gave him a perfect vessel.

          • garbology [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            the IC is what allowed Jesus to be born without sin

            But how did Mary get born without sin? Why didn't she need a "perfect vessel"? It's turtles all the way down!

            • babortion [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              that's curious eh. I wonder if there are any sources floating around or maybe in the Vatican vaults that go into detail about the origin of Mary's sinless status. and if there is any connection with the Mary Magdalene related conspiracy theories saying she was Jesus's favourite desciple / that they were in love or something. there is legit canonical evidence that jesus didn't ever exclude female disciples whatsoever and now that I think about it how venerated Mary is in Catholicism (there is a special category of prayer to Mary, above the level for the saints but below that for G-d) I got to wonder how did so many Catholic cultures become so patriarchal

            • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Basically, preparing one generation in advance made it better. Or, the only way someone could deserve to be the mother of God is if God made them deserving in the first place.

    • MerryChristmas [any]
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      4 years ago

      I grew up Catholic and I've never heard that before. You sure your teacher wasn't just trying to send you to hell as a prank?

    • Funicio [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Nah, the baptism was part of the process to forgive the sin of the world. Catholic doctrine holds that both Jesus and Mary were born without original sin, just like Adam and Eve.

      • babortion [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        confirmed. 'immaculate' in immaculate conception refers to Mary's state of never having sinned

    • KrasMazovThought [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Catholicism holds that the being of God is realized in three consubstantial instances, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit/Ghost. All of these are in fact aspects of God.

      As both the Son and God, to position Jesus as having original sin would necessarily deny his divinity (this would be possible with the early school of Adoptionism), or extend original sin to God (Gnosticism?).

      Arianism, which still recognized the divinity of Jesus, was banned at the First Council of Nicea for not attributing full divinity to the guy.

      The Trinity and full divinity of Jesus is very important to the Catholics.

      • GottaJiBooUrns [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Aye, good write up, but please see below to where I've already discovered I was incorrect.