at least other depictions have given him some vague resemblance of being middle eastern, but whoever posted this probably scavenged for the most eurocentric portrayal they could find
if he's the most perfect man on this planet, then why is he dead :thinkin-lenin:
Finally, after all these years:
They/She Christ
I am so happy
Wouldn’t god be an it seeing as god isn’t human and all non human tings are it based on my understanding of English? Unless god is an animal which see the only other constrict to be gendered aside from warships and I’m pretty fucking sure if god exists god isn’t a warship of nothing else.
Probably but also god is a nonbinary woman and theres nothing you can do to change that <3
lol, I can't believe a random Croatian scam artist has his own fully referenced wikipedia entry, and even got to namedrop his horse.
It occurred to me while watching a documentary on Heaven's Gate that the historical Jesus was probably not a moral paragon but an absolute lunatic madman cult leader.
You do realize the actual historical Jesus was for his time incredibly socialist? He was based as hell considering he abolished private property like 2000 years before Marx. Read acts of the apostles, I don’t remember the name but the original catholic version, the prot one censors it to be more capitalist.
That shit was all written after he died by people who didn't know him. IRL he was probably just a classic cult leader type with an incredible devoted following who deified him after he died.
even then, his teachings and preaching were definitely based for his followers to write him down defending solidarity, equality and the radical acceptance of people
I mean, were they? If you're talking about the gospels, those were written 30-90 years after he died and are not considered reliable historical sources. All that's broadly agreed about him are the following:
- He was a Galillean Jew
- He was baptized by John the Baptist
- He was crucified by the Romans
That's it. We don't even really know what he preached or why he was crucified. He probably caused a bunch of controversy at the temple, but we don't know why or how it happened. We know he had followers, but we don't know the structure of their organization or their relationship to him in life, or how he gathered those followers.
All that cool solidarity and egalitarianism stuff came from the author of Acts and Luke. Quite likely, the man himself was very much like any other apocalyptic cult leader who believed in the end times and gathered a bunch of hyper-devoted followers around himself. All of those people are pieces of shit or entirely out of their minds.
I could be mistaken but I don't think Jesus talked about "the end times". Isn't that more of a thing in Paul's letters and other writings? Anyways most stuff about Jesus was probably passed down orally, and only written down after some time. I don't recall the gospels really talking about "end times" at all, but they do have stories about Jesus being a cool accepting person.
Here's a good /r/AskHistorians comment on the subject. That explains it much better than I'm qualified to.
They mention one quote by Jesus from a passage in a gospel that sounded like him talking about the end times. The rest of the comment talks about Paul who obviously talked frequently about the end times, but he isn't Jesus, Paul's talking about it when Christianity was becoming more of an actual religion. Looking it up, it does seem like there is plenty of Jesus talking about the end times in Mark, but it isn't like that's all it talks about.
Technically Jesus wasn't actually perfect. He was born with Original Sin (TM) and thus needed to be baptized by his cousin.
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That's literally heretical, it goes against the dogma of immaculate conception.
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The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived without Original Sin, not Jesus.
Although now that I'm reading further I see that Jesus is also alleged to have been born without Original Sin, as per Augustine of Hippo's doctrine on Original Sin. So either my teachers didn't know their shit or my 20 year old memories from childhood are a little rusty.
But complaining about wanting downvotes back? That some :LIB: shit, my comrade.
The whole theological point of the IC is that it's what allowed Jesus to be born without sin. It gave him a perfect vessel.
the IC is what allowed Jesus to be born without sin
But how did Mary get born without sin? Why didn't she need a "perfect vessel"? It's turtles all the way down!
Basically, preparing one generation in advance made it better. Or, the only way someone could deserve to be the mother of God is if God made them deserving in the first place.
that's curious eh. I wonder if there are any sources floating around or maybe in the Vatican vaults that go into detail about the origin of Mary's sinless status. and if there is any connection with the Mary Magdalene related conspiracy theories saying she was Jesus's favourite desciple / that they were in love or something. there is legit canonical evidence that jesus didn't ever exclude female disciples whatsoever and now that I think about it how venerated Mary is in Catholicism (there is a special category of prayer to Mary, above the level for the saints but below that for G-d) I got to wonder how did so many Catholic cultures become so patriarchal
I grew up Catholic and I've never heard that before. You sure your teacher wasn't just trying to send you to hell as a prank?
Nah, the baptism was part of the process to forgive the sin of the world. Catholic doctrine holds that both Jesus and Mary were born without original sin, just like Adam and Eve.
confirmed. 'immaculate' in immaculate conception refers to Mary's state of never having sinned
Catholicism holds that the being of God is realized in three consubstantial instances, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit/Ghost. All of these are in fact aspects of God.
As both the Son and God, to position Jesus as having original sin would necessarily deny his divinity (this would be possible with the early school of Adoptionism), or extend original sin to God (Gnosticism?).
Arianism, which still recognized the divinity of Jesus, was banned at the First Council of Nicea for not attributing full divinity to the guy.
The Trinity and full divinity of Jesus is very important to the Catholics.
Aye, good write up, but please see below to where I've already discovered I was incorrect.
"who is this white man?" Why, it's Cesare Borgia of course- patron to the arts, son of Pope Alexander VI, inspiration for Machiavelli's The Prince and close "friend" of Leonardo da Vinci.
I definitely don't think they'd have needed to scavenge, that looks like all the cracker ass Jesuses I've ever seen in Anglican and Irish Catholic schools
Meme hammer and sickle aside, yes he looked more like that.
I'm 90% sure that that's Mormon Jesus. I dated an ex-Mormon and I swear I've seen this exact Jesus on the weird pamphlets they were always sending us.
My older nephew jokes that I kind of look like this but chunky and slightly tanner. He doesn't say chunky but I feel chunky.
thank you :Care-Comrade: Don't get compliments a lot and appreciate it.
